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Punxsutawney resident
I suppose that qualifies as IF? I can't do it, I get too hungry and feel terrible. #hangry
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Post up what you are eating V2.0
I suppose that qualifies as IF? I can't do it, I get too hungry and feel terrible. #hangry
Anyone can do it. Just gotta push through it.
Gets easier the more you do it. A lot of hunger is just trained. You normally eat at lunch so you get hungry at lunch time.
Repacked
Punxsutawney resident
I can see the convenience factor of it, and fat loss and possible metabolic benefits of it short term, but not a mwthod I'd personally want to adopt long term. 14 cheeseburgers sound alright though...
I doubt any of the claimed metabolic benefits of fasting over simply the total macro and calorie intake that you eat for the day.
You are right. It's not for everyone. I like big meals. Night time is when I would normally fail and blow out my calories. So saving most of my calories for night helps diet. I do love a big breakfast but I can skip it if I have to.
In an ideal world I would just be able to eat a shit load whenever I want. Once a day is a good compromise.
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Punxsutawney resident
Tbh I think if done long term it could be counter productive, but if implemented for short periods at the right time of your diet I think it could be beneficial.
Sounds fair. Plus you get a good sleep with a full guts.
steveP
Well-known member
For weight management, it's a great option. There is only so many calories you can physically fit in, in a single sitting. Then not eating the rest of the day teaches discipline and resets hunger hormones.
However it's not the best option for muscle gain. Optimising protein synthesis is the name of the game for hypertrophy. There is a ceiling on protein synthesis for a single sitting.
However it's not the best option for muscle gain. Optimising protein synthesis is the name of the game for hypertrophy. There is a ceiling on protein synthesis for a single sitting.
That hasn't really been proven though. It just takes longer to digest.
steveP
Well-known member
Have a read/listen to this podcast. All of this dude's podcasts are short, sweet and straight to the point using peer reviewed studies.
http://www.irakinutrition.com/podcast/podcast-with-jorn-trommelen/
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Punxsutawney resident
Jumar Iraki is great. Always excellent material.
I'm not listening to the podcast because I don't have time. I'm not fussed about the grey area 1% shit. I'm not competing so I don't care. More and more research is showing meal timing is a waste of time worrying about.
I'll just get the bulk of it right.
Haha. Fuck off.
in other news I'm doing a leptin boosting carb refeed today and keeping fat under 50g. Ideally should be more glucose and less sugar but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
no way it's that high
no way in hell
there's not even a proven link between mps and hypertrophy (in theory it should but who knows - if someone says they have a definite answer they're lying).
simo74
Manky Pommie Kunce
I kind of agree with bazza here, for the recreational lifter I am thinking more and more that just eating good food and plenty of it is enough.
But as I have never competed or even tried to get real
lean I am also sure it makes more sense or is more relevant for those that do like [MENTION=15941]steveP[/MENTION] says. But really 25% why do you feel it is this important Steve?
steveP
Well-known member
Sorry, this is another one of those times where I'm going to side with the scientists and experts in their respective fields than people on an internet forum.
Did you listen to the podcast? The studies shows that 30g of protein is the sweet spot for MPS, regardless of body weight. So the 30g myth has sort of come full circle.
The second point is that there were no benefits above 40g. So if you're only eating one meal a day you only have one opportunity of maximal MPS. Where someone who breaks their meals up to 3 or more has way more potential. And of course you need to give your body the appropriate stimulus to require maximal MPS. A lot of people assume that calories equal muscle gain, then half-ass their training.
steveP
Well-known member
I agree, that for the average person who eats healthy and regularly, it will give almost no benefit or change in results. I was comparing the optimal eating plan of 30g of protein at a time, 5 or so times a day vs only a single meal where you eat anything and everything (maccas from the looks of it).
With such an extreme intermittent fasting approach, when do you actually train? Afterwards when you body is trying to digest a stupid amount of food, or before where you're completely fasted and no immediate fuel?
simo74
Manky Pommie Kunce
Makes sense thanks for clarifying. Looks like my unscientific 5 protein serves a day that I have been consuming for the last year is actually helping me become awesome. Quality.