BCAA's

[steveP]

Again, you take the angle of BCAAs only being for people depleted in them. No one is claiming that, and no one is taking them for that reason. But thankyou for saying that is the last time you will mention it.

The following was taken from here:

Energy-Yielding Macronutrients and Energy Metabolism in Sports Nutrition
Judy A. Driskell, Ira Wolinsky
Energy-Yielding Macronutrients and Energy Metabolism in Sports Nutrition - Google Books

And here is the study it's citing.
Changes in the exercise-induced hormone response to branched chain ... - PubMed - NCBI

 

[Big Mick]

You do realise this study was done on marathon runners and endurance athletes, has nothing to do with weight training and muscle building and is completely irrelevant to muscle building, have you ever seen the body of a long distance runner??

One of my best mates is a endurance athlete, does 80-200km bike rides, 20-50km runs and swims for hours, he loves it, last week end competed in 'Hell of the West' triathlon, one of the toughest held in Australia, also competes in the Gold coast and the Port Macquarie iron man plus many others, if you see his diet you would be shocked the stuff he eats/ingests prior to, during and after training and competition, his diet and the way he utilises food and supplements is completely different to what anyone here would be doing, he consumes salt tablets, tons of glucose and salts dissolved in water, max carbs and re-feeds with about 4-6 Maccs burgers after training/comp, yet is as lean as you ever going to be and I bet fitter than anyone on this forum, not really relevant to what we are trying to achieve here with lifting weights and gaining strength/muscle mass.

 

[jzpowahz]

Acute hormonal response =/= long term LBM gains

It "may" but no proof yet.

BTW Xtend mango is so damn tasty. I had it in a slurpee yesterday.

My training was shit. I could put this down to BCAA's doing SFA however it was actually decreased total energy intake despite eating only "clean" foods.

 

[Big Mick]

Also note the extensive use of the words 'may' and 'might' throughout the text instead of 'will' and 'does'.

It's all guess work and speculation, no proof what so ever, another thing to note the study was done with 14, 26 and 32 long distance runners, hardly enough subjects to give it any credibility anyway, and gives it zero credibility related to strength training/muscle building as not many strength athletes or body builders participated.

The study was done on endurance athletes, last time I checked a body builder or power lifter/strength trainer can hardly be considered an endurance athelete by any strech of the imagination. You might as well quote a study conducted with 3 primary school kids playing handball in the play ground, same relevance and credibility as the studies above.

 

[steveP]

I'm sure if the study was about bodybuilders, you'd say it doesn't apply because you do powerlifting. It's about preventing muscle catabolism during exercise. If anything, lifting weights is more strenuous and the effects would be more pronounced.

The more I read about it, it seems that the positive effects of a BCAA supplement are greater in athletes/people whose workouts are high in intensity and volume. On the other end of the scale, people who don't exercise or aren't active will see no benefit. And most of us are somewhere in the middle.

 

[Big Mick]

Ok, mate if you believe a study done on a hand full of marathon runners stating that BCAA supplements MAY have made a difference to the way they run a marathon is conclusive proof that a body builder will gain benefits, go for it.

But if you are keen I have a bottle of snake oil here that may cause you to gain 10 pounds of muscle, let me know if you are keen going cheap $100 for 4 weeks supply, but you would possibly have to take it continuously for 6 months to see any results, and if you are one of the unlucky non responders I will find something stronger for you by then, I also have some hydrolysed snake oil at twice the price, but it's not recommended till after your initial 6 months snake oil cycle is completed, don't worry I did a study on my 3 baby pet rats, and they doubled in size over 3 months, but results may vary, only to be used in conjunction with a specialised body building diet and exercise regime…lmao

 

[steveP]

If I take it, will I look like you?

 

[Big Mick]

I said it will add 10 pounds of muscle not 30, even snake oil can't perform magic..lol

 

[steveP]

That was really funny. Well done.

 

[steveP]

Ran out of my BSN Amino X and decided to give this new product a go.

Core Nutritionals ABC
Cliffs:
- 100 scoops per container.
- Only 4 key ingredients (BCAAs, L-Glutamine, Beta Alanine and Citrulline Malate).
- No artificial colours (Hence all flavours are prefixed with 'white' or 'crystal').
- 7 flavours.

Review here.

Normally I wouldn't really make a big deal about something a simple as a intra workout, but this really has noticeable effects. After sipping it at the start of my workout I could feel tingles you only get with a pre workout. I got home and got my girlfriend to try it. Firstly, she hated the taste, but I like it; it has its own tangy flavour. 5 minutes later she's screaming that her skin is crawling and jumping up an down. Definitely a much stronger and pure effect than previous BCAAs I've tried. I would definitely recommend this if you're due for some BCAAs.

 

[steveP]

Also, when I need a new pre workout, I'll give Core Nutritionals' product a go. Looks decent as well.

 

[ali_kaup]

It's the beta alanine giving you the tingles, nothing to do with the BCAA

 

[Big Mick]

Ran out of my BSN Amino X and decided to give this new product a go.

Core Nutritionals ABC
Cliffs:
- 100 scoops per container.
- Only 4 key ingredients (BCAAs, L-Glutamine, Beta Alanine and Citrulline Malate).
- No artificial colours (Hence all flavours are prefixed with 'white' or 'crystal').
- 7 flavours.

Review here.

Normally I wouldn't really make a big deal about something a simple as a intra workout, but this really has noticeable effects. After sipping it at the start of my workout I could feel tingles you only get with a pre workout. I got home and got my girlfriend to try it. Firstly, she hated the taste, but I like it; it has its own tangy flavour. 5 minutes later she's screaming that her skin is crawling and jumping up an down. Definitely a much stronger and pure effect than previous BCAAs I've tried. I would definitely recommend this if you're due for some BCAAs.

Got nothing to do with BCAA's it has Beta Alanine in the supplement and it's the Beta Alanine that causes the tingles. I am guessing they add it to supplements so people think something is happening…..wow I have tingles it must be working…lol

By the way Beta Alanine is a non essential amino acid that your body will synthesise in the liver in the amounts required by your body, so pretty much another useless supplement..…lol

 

[Bazza20]

Lol. Mick has it right, it's the beta alanine causing the tingles. Great for the placebro effect for people think their pre workout is working hardcore.

 

[steveP]

Yeah, of course it's the beta alanine. My point was that the dosage in this is clearly more potent than other BCAA supplements getting around.

 

[Bazza20]

Yeah, of course it's the beta alanine. My point was that the dosage in this is clearly more potent than other BCAA supplements getting around.

Lol yeah sure you knew it was beta alanine. Not a single mention of it.

After sipping it at the start of my workout I could feel tingles you only get with a pre workout. I got home and got my girlfriend to try it. Firstly, she hated the taste, but I like it; it has its own tangy flavour. 5 minutes later she's screaming that her skin is crawling and jumping up an down. Definitely a much stronger and pure effect than previous BCAAs I've tried. I would definitely recommend this if you're due for some BCAAs.

 

[Goosey]

If you like that sort of thing buy some niacin.

 

[steveP]

I mentioned it in my second dot point of being a core ingredient. You seem to be clasping at straws lately with your arguments.

 

[Bazza20]

I mentioned it in my second dot point of being a core ingredient. You seem to be clasping at straws lately with your arguments.

It's ok you clearly didn't know it was BA causing the tingles. Nothing wrong with not knowing something. We all learn stuff here.

As for clasping as straws for arguments lately. Seems you are clasping at straws as I hadn't been posting on here for about a month.

 

[steveP]

You really don't think I know the effects of Beta Alanine with all the research I do into supplements? I didn't explicitly mention it as I thought it was obvious to everyone. There's many posts from me in the past talking about the effects of BA and tingles.