I'm not disputing the impact on MPS, I'm disputing how important MPS is to hypertrophySorry, this is another one of those times where I'm going to side with the scientists and experts in their respective fields than people on an internet forum.
Did you listen to the podcast? The studies shows that 30g of protein is the sweet spot for MPS, regardless of body weight. So the 30g myth has sort of come full circle.
The second point is that there were no benefits above 40g. So if you're only eating one meal a day you only have one opportunity of maximal MPS. Where someone who breaks their meals up to 3 or more has way more potential. And of course you need to give your body the appropriate stimulus to require maximal MPS. A lot of people assume that calories equal muscle gain, then half-ass their training.
I'm not disputing the impact on MPS, I'm disputing how important MPS is to hypertrophy
There is absolutely no scientific link between improved MPS and improved hypertrophy or muscle performance, like I said in theory there should be but nothing has been proven or shown definitively
I'm not defending what baz is doing but to claim optimal MPS and protein timing is a 25% impact on anything to do with training or diet is absurd
Don't get smug with me, I've agreed that protein timing is important to MPS all I've done is point out the gaping hole in the scientific literature/knowledge on the link between improved MPS and improved muscle hypertrophy/performance. Are you too simple to understand that?I've posted a nice little concise podcast and linked the studies, but people ignore this and deny there are studies. I guess ignorance protects people's values, even if it does them a disservice.
Ok, I'm saying that 30g of protein 5x a day is optimal (as does the science). What would you suggest would be the inverse? For the same amount of calories and protein, what would be the most inefficient diet? I certainly would say one massive meal once a day. Not only is this inefficient for your body, but mentally you're going to have a very unhealthy relationship with food.
Building muscle and losing fat is a balance of peaks and valleys. When you eat you gain muscle and fat (simplified). When you train you break down muscle, and when you're not eating you're breaking down fat. To be optimal you want to smooth the peaks and valleys out.
Like I originally said, this is probably the best way to control weight and appetite. But there's a big difference in approaches to losing fat and gaining muscle.
of course notHow can myofibrillar hypertrophy occur without MPS?
Don't get smug with me, I've agreed that protein timing is important to MPS all I've done is point out the gaping hole in the scientific literature/knowledge on the link between improved MPS and improved muscle hypertrophy/performance. Are you too simple to understand that?
Now unless you can post some scientific literature showing a link between improved MPS protein timing and hypertrophy you can stop acting like an arrogant dick head.
Do you stand by your post that protein timing and MPS makes up 25% of importance in training and diet outcomes?
Don't be a numbskull steviepeeGreat attitude. Strive for nothing and be average.
Great attitude. Strive for nothing and be average.
Don't be a numbskull steviepee
Tell me, are you 90kg beef cake with 5% body fat?
Are you a pro athlete?
Have you experimented over many years and found what works for you and discarded what doesn't?
You keep missing the whole point.
There's no evidence to support your hypothesis that eating evenly spaced meals vs eating all your calories in 1 meal makes 1% of difference (that's real difference in hypertrophy/muscle performance outcomes, not just MPS ) let alone 25%.Whoa, that escalated quickly. Calm down dude.
I never said protein timing is 25% of all training and diet. I said it would make 25% difference to the intermittent fasting approach bazza is using, as in my opinion that is the worst case scenario.
Why does everything have to be one extreme or the other? Carbs are the devil or fats are unicorn jizz. Intermittent fasting is the secret key to unlock god mode and eating regularly means you should give up lifting.
Ah forget about it but to answer your question, the way an "elite" athlete trains/eats has zero bearing on anyone hereSo only the elite should use elite/optimal training methods? If there's evidence that one method works better than another, be it 1% or 20%, I'll use the method that works best and is more efficient.
You probably need another 10-15kg of muscle to reach average, so plenty of work needed yet.
To be honest none of this stuff matters much, your body is smarter than this (or better evolved), if you needed to eat 30 grams of protein every 3hrs and 27 minutes precisely, we would have died out as a species a long time ago.
I had this out with baz a week or so ago. There's absolutely nothing wrong with average joes using the tactics of the so called elites to achieve the optimal performance.So only the elite should use elite/optimal training methods? If there's evidence that one method works better than another, be it 1% or 20%, I'll use the method that works best and is more efficient.
I had this out with baz a week or so ago. There's absolutely nothing wrong with average joes using the tactics of the so called elites to achieve the optimal performance.
And anyone who tells you any differently is a dick head.
10-15kg at my height and body weight would put me at a Fat Free Mass Index well over any natural limit. Is there a point to your post, or more verbal diarrhoea?
Again, you miss the point of survival vs optimal. Human don't need carbs or regular meals to survive. But if you want to maximise hypertrophy and you have such an oversimplified and uneducated attitude, you'll be forever spinning your wheels with no real results.
This really is an odd forum. It's meant to be about bodybuilding and training, but when legit methods are discussed, no one can have an intelligent debate.
Yes it is weird. It's almost like a race to see who can take the defeated "you'll be unsuccessful like me" moral high ground. I think age plays a big factor where many have accepted their average results and feel others will end up at the same point regardless.
Are you trying to sell an IF book? Those were pulled from someone selling a IF diet, as the only thing you missed is that it cures cancer.
If it's the holy grail of diets, why isn't everyone on it, including yourself? Like all fad diets, it's no practical in the real world.
I hope you realise that those claims come from bias studies with small sample sizes, looking for the results that sell. You know, the exact same reason you're against BCAAs and anything else that comes from a sup store. Or is it that you're on team BCAAs this month?
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