Micro loading dumbells

[Big Mick]

How the feck would you know Mick since you don't use dumbells and don't own any micro plates either, so you've never tried it.

Just because I don't use them does not mean I have never used them, but after using them for years I have come to the conclusion that DB's are the 1% of weight lifting and pretty much unless you are at elite level and in the top percentage of body building training hours twice a day doing specialised isolation stuff to grow peaks on your biceps and aiming for head separation of your triceps, Db's are more or less a waste of daylight.

Time playing with Db's and micro plates can be better spend lifting heavy barbells for better results in less time.

DB side laterals are not going to do anything to the casual trainer (like most of us in this forum) that a few sets of heavy military presses have not already done, you just need to stimulate the muscle to grow not stuff around with it endlessly.

Really at this stage in my training I can not think of anything I can achieve with a DB that I am not already achieving with a barbell.

And yes that is MY opinion based on My experiences over the last 30 years of playing with weights

 

[aljada]

So 0kg should work fine then.

Nice ad absurdum.

 

[Goosey]

You write some absurd things [MENTION=8428]Big Mick[/MENTION];

 

[Big Mick]

You write some absurd things [MENTION=8428]Big Mick[/MENTION];

How so??? Just because you say so??

What evidence have you got to refute anything that I have said??

I am getting the distinct feeling lately that some of you guys probably don't even train (lift), as a lot your comments do not really reflect real life training experience, but rather appear to be posted to confuse issues and facts about training.

So please explain to me what gains I am missing out on after doing multiple sets of militry presses with a heavy barbell by not doing side laterals with micro plates?? There may be a further 1% to gain...MAY BE... but really a lot time and effort will only really be rewarded with minimal and possible not even any noticeable/tangible gains. There for in my opinion spending a further 15 minutes doing side laterals with micro-plates is a complete wast of time and effort for the average trainer, and that time would be better spend doing something else or even just sitting around resting.

My training sessions are 20-40 minutes why would I want to waste time playing with DB's when I can be spending that time lifting real weights. My aim is maximum returns for minimal time, don't really have time to waste on the 1% stuff.

 

[Darkoz]

Just because I don't use them does not mean I have never used them, but after using them for years I have come to the conclusion that DB's are the 1% of weight lifting and pretty much unless you are at elite level and in the top percentage of body building training hours twice a day doing specialised isolation stuff to grow peaks on your biceps and aiming for head separation of your triceps, Db's are more or less a waste of daylight.

Time playing with Db's and micro plates can be better spend lifting heavy barbells for better results in less time.

DB side laterals are not going to do anything to the casual trainer (like most of us in this forum) that a few sets of heavy military presses have not already done, you just need to stimulate the muscle to grow not stuff around with it endlessly.

Really at this stage in my training I can not think of anything I can achieve with a DB that I am not already achieving with a barbell.

And yes that is MY opinion based on My experiences over the last 30 years of playing with weights

Seriously Mick, have you had your eyes closed the whole 30 years
You write some pretty silly stuff

 

[Big Mick]

Seriously Mick, have you had your eyes closed the whole 30 years
You write some pretty silly stuff

How so??

You are also on the list of people I doubt actually lift, as generally you don't have anything useful to add to any discussion relating to training and diet.

Again I am waiting with bated breath as to what gains I will get from micro plates that will make the time using them worth while after I smashed out my heavy military presses for the day.

Quite the opposite to eyes closed actually as I am still reading up and learning something every day, unlike a lot of people here. How many books on training methods, latest diet research and studies have you read lately??

Now we are just waiting for Bazza 20 to chime in with his thing where he gained 20kg of pure muscle in three weeks using micro plates while cutting on 10000 calories eating ice cream and pizza 8 times a day all the time using 15lb Db's , as he always seems to come up with the exact opposite of what is actually true, or how he bulked on 2000 calories by just adding a glass of milk with home brand chocolate syrup and obviously using micro plates as the main reason for his spectacular gains......another one where I am staring to doubt that he actually trains at all.

 

[Darkoz]

How so??

You are also on the list of people I doubt actually lift, as generally you don't have anything useful to add to any discussion relating to training and diet.

Again I am waiting with bated breath as to what gains I will get from micro plates that will make the time using them worth while after I smashed out my heavy military presses for the day.

You must the biggest buffed motherfucker here then Mick
I'm happy to be on your list

 

[Big Mick]

You must the biggest buffed motherfucker here then Mick
I'm happy to be on your list

So you got nothing?? Just as I suspected! Just hiding behind insults to try and get away from the topic that you have no idea about

I am still waiting for the explanation from your self and Silverback as to what gains I am missing out on?? But I guess I won't be getting it as you got nothing

It's easy to say your wrong without offering any alternatives, and thats all you three seem to be doing...

 

[Darkoz]

So you got nothing?? Just as I suspected! Just hiding behind insults to try and get away from the topic that you have no idea about

I am still waiting for the explanation from your self and Silverback as to what gains I am missing out on?? But I guess I won't be getting it as you got nothing

Who said you were missing out on gains Mick?
I gave my explaination earlier in the thread but hey you must be doing something right @ 30% body fat

 

[Big Mick]

Who said you were missing out on gains Mick?
I gave my explaination earlier in the thread but hey you must be doing something right @ 30% body fat

Just checked again and you have explained nothing that refutes anything I have said and makes anything I have sad incorrect or false in any way. Then you post that I write some silly stuff without being able to offer an explanation as to why it's silly. When asked to classify tour statement you resort to insults, cheap shots and evasive techniques instead of providing an explanation.

Even after asking you directly several more times to explain your statement you resorted to further insults each and every time in an attempt to distract from the question that you are obviously not able to give an answer to, and third time around you have not disappointed as you still have nothing, apart from insults based on your imagination I guess.

As I have no idea where you would have my body fat % from as I don't even know it. but I am guessing it's just another attempt in your ploy to distract from the real training related question that you obviously lack the experience and knowledge to answer.

So may be next time instead of attempting to insult people and say their statement is silly without knowing what you are talking about and in the process exposing your lack of knowledge may be say nothing.

 

[Darkoz]

Just checked again and you have explained nothing that refutes anything I have said and makes anything I have sad incorrect or false in any way. Then you post that I write some silly stuff without being able to offer an explanation as to why it's silly. When asked to classify tour statement you resort to insults, cheap shots and evasive techniques instead of providing an explanation.

Even after asking you directly several more times to explain your statement you resorted to further insults each and every time in an attempt to distract from the question that you are obviously not able to give an answer to, and third time around you have not disappointed as you still have nothing, apart from insults based on your imagination I guess.

As I have no idea where you would have my body fat % from as I don't even know it. but I am guessing it's just another attempt in your ploy to distract from the real training related question that you obviously lack the experience and knowledge to answer.

So may be next time instead of attempting to insult people and say their statement is silly without knowing what you are talking about and in the process exposing your lack of knowledge may be say nothing.

The body fat % were your own words in your training log

THE STARTING POINT :
WEIGHT 117kg
BODY FAT 31.7%
HYDRATION 49.5%
MUSCLE MASS 30.8%
BONE DENSITY 3.0%

http://ausbb.com/official-2013-body...21636-big-micks-2013-body-transformation.html

It's not about who's right or wrong Mick, it's simply another tool in the box whereas your saying there's only one tool that works.

 

[0ni]

Going up 2.5kg per dumbbell is 5kg overall. I would be very surprised if you only drop one rep. Especially for smaller upper body exercise that dumbbells are used for.

Nutrient timing. Lol. Maybe if you are an elite athlete doing multiple training sessions a day but for the average shit kicker doing at most one session a day and then sitting on your arse you are just playing with yourself.

but I total raw elite and do multiple training sessions a day
I really don't think it will make that much of a different. At least, It's not worth me pontificating over. I rarely use dumbbells anyway and I think they are not really worth the effort of trying to increase by 1kg.

Why would I want to increase my dumbbell press by 1kg? I wouldn't, I stick to big exercises that I can lift a lot of weight on. These will drive the most progress, the rest is just for a pump to get blood flowing. Micro loading your squat or deadlift? Just kill yourself in all honesty

 

[Shrek]

Bloody oaf I use my 0.5 micros on dumbells (when I'm training at home).
This way I can do side laterals in jumps of 1kg. Since I cannot at the gym i use the cables where increases are 1.25.

The 0.25 micros where handy at the Push / Pull today. hmmm

 

[0ni]

haha, in competition they have their merits

 

[aljada]

The 0.25 micros where handy at the Push / Pull today. hmmm

Record plates are an entirely different matter from using micros for something that shouldn't be a primary loading exercise.

Waste of money, you'd even get more out of a bottle of ammonia.

 

[Shrek]

Each to their own. I use them, lots of people do, some obviously don't.

It shouldn't stop anyone from lifting, that's the main thing.

 

[Felixflex]

Handy for isolation work, more weight = more gains in the end

 

[Big Mick]

The body fat % were your own words in your training log

http://ausbb.com/official-2013-body...21636-big-micks-2013-body-transformation.html

It's not about who's right or wrong Mick, it's simply another tool in the box whereas your saying there's only one tool that works.

Interesting find, can't even remember posting that up, must have been a while ago, a lot has happened since then, and I don't think it's current any more, have certainly added muscle/strength and lost fat to the point where my top row of abs is clearly visible and my second can be faintly seen in the mornings.

Measurements were done using scales as well, and I don't have a lot of faith in them (re body fat%), have not even weight myself in about three months.

RE another tool in the box, may be, but really it would be like driving in fence pickets with a jewellers hammer when the sledge hammer is right there in the back of the ute.

Like I said several times the small plates would be a 1% thing that COULD be beneficial at an elite level where 1% makes a difference (but even then I find it doubtful, but happy to be proven wrong), but for a normal trainer there are better tools in the box to get the job done without worrying about the 1%.

Each to their own. I use them, lots of people do, some obviously don't.

It shouldn't stop anyone from lifting, that's the main thing.

You are right there!

Doubt anyone using them will stop me lifting, and I doubt I will ever be using them either.

If your happy to use them go for it and enjoy!!

 

[0ni]

People are really passionate about their 1kg plates huh

 

[Shrek]

People are really passionate about their 1kg plates huh

I love my 0.5's