Jihadist Khaled Sharroufs son holds severed head

[Brick]

You xenophobic bro?

Got nothing against the xylophone mate, it's the backbone of the percussion orchestra

 

[Johnnie Walker]

C'mon Genics, none of what you've written here is helpful, surely now you're just stirring the pot for the sake of it?



I'm not sure whether you are citing the article above to condemn or praise it, but the Lady in question, Pamela Geller, is of Jewish heritage so it is a reasonable conclusion that that she has a particular bias and perspective on the situation. As the Mayor of NY said "These ads are outrageous, inflammatory and wrong, and have no place in New York City, or anywhere. These hateful messages serve only to divide and stigmatize when we should be coming together as one city."



This post adds nothing constructive to the argument. If you read this page it's neutrality is under dispute, meaning is is likely designed to put forth a specific view, which you obviously agree with, but doesn't strengthen your argument.



The bit above is all kinds of offensive.

Why the hell would you question whether @Fadi ; feels bad about the death of innocent people. How do you feel about it Genics? He has stated his view of this many times and all of us here feel the same way, there is no dispute; but you know that - another 'question' designed to aggravate. It is an assumption on your behalf that Fadi considers these people his brothers, and to mock him for not picking up a gun and travelling to Syria or Iraq to fight is ridiculous - this is the sort of behaviour we are decrying. You and others have asked why no Muslim has denounced recent events - @Fadi ; has done so many times, but we only see what we want to see I guess.

You are correct that these people bring unwanted attention to Islam and Muslims, and the onus is on us to make the distinction for everyone's benefit, and not to run off half cocked spreading more hate out of fear. It is a key sign of lack of understanding. I mean that generally, not directed at anyone specific.

This highlights the problem here - it is not just 'some Islamic guy' that wanted to abduct someone in Sydney. The persons charged have known connections to Isis, and the problem is Extremist behaviour and terrorist organisations, NOT Muslim behaviour. A large part of the issue here is people don't distinguish between the two. It is like people saying all Christians are paedophiles - highly offensive to the people concerned, and I am sure we have Christians here on this board too. Would people be a bit more aware of their potential to offend if we were talking about a different group?

Although I hate citing Wikipedia, just for you Genics:

Christian terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

ONCE AGAIN - this is not about extremist acts. Everyone here feels the same way about this and has stated so explicitly. It is about making a distinction between a comparatively small extremist and terrorist group who claim what they are doing is righteous - as has nearly every other terrorist group for centuries before them - and a religious denomination with no link to these people other than the fervent claims of terrorists.

your trying to be too clever, as grunta said your not willing to call a spade a spade.

first off your list of terrorist attacks by chritisans isnt even a list, its a few loosely connected examples. are you actually claiming that Christians carry out similar attacks to Islamic terrorists? not in this day and age mate.

this whole "they're not Muslims" is the biggest cop out ever. of course they are. In Scotland we just had the referendum to independence and post result their was certain pro union supporters causing shit loads of trouble in glasgow. Now i could sit here and say they are not example of your average "no voter" they are hard line loyalist football hooligans who would be out causing trouble regardless and they are not "no voters". This would be total bullshit as they are "no voters", they voted no. They share the same goals and basic ideas as the rest of the no voters, they just go about it in a different way. They share the same bed as all the nice respectable middle class families who also voted no.

As for the catholic kiddy fiddler priests. When one of these guys gets busted for fingering a 10yr old boys arsehole, does anyone actually go.."but no, they arnt real catholics", of course they are they're a fucking catholic priest. While it may not represent the actions of all Catholics, still a fucking catholic! Also none of these priests afaik are raping children in the name of god.

All muslims share a bed with these extremists whether they like it or not and untill they except that and try to deal with it I fail to see how they will win the respect and acceptance of the western world. I accept 99.9% of muslims dont want to go round beheading people, but this entire "they arnt real muslims" is just a bullshit cop out plain and simple.

 

[Johnnie Walker]

The other question has to be, obviously all groups have bad apples..you mentioned the catholic priests. Why does islam have so many bad apples?

 

[Repacked]

your trying to be too clever, as grunta said your not willing to call a spade a spade.

first off your list of terrorist attacks by chritisans isnt even a list, its a few loosely connected examples. are you actually claiming that Christians carry out similar attacks to Islamic terrorists? not in this day and age mate.

this whole "they're not Muslims" is the biggest cop out ever. of course they are. In Scotland we just had the referendum to independence and post result their was certain pro union supporters causing shit loads of trouble in glasgow. Now i could sit here and say they are not example of your average "no voter" they are hard line loyalist football hooligans who would be out causing trouble regardless and they are not "no voters". This would be total bullshit as they are "no voters", they voted no. They share the same goals and basic ideas as the rest of the no voters, they just go about it in a different way. They share the same bed as all the nice respectable middle class families who also voted no.

As for the catholic kiddy fiddler priests. When one of these guys gets busted for fingering a 10yr old boys arsehole, does anyone actually go.."but no, they arnt real catholics", of course they are they're a fucking catholic priest. While it may not represent the actions of all Catholics, still a fucking catholic! Also none of these priests afaik are raping children in the name of god.

All muslims share a bed with these extremists whether they like it or not and untill they except that and try to deal with it I fail to see how they will win the respect and acceptance of the western world. I accept 99.9% of muslims dont want to go round beheading people, but this entire "they arnt real muslims" is just a bullshit cop out plain and simple.

The point I was making with the Wikipedia article is that Wikipedia has a page for every perspective, right or wrong, and that over the centuries there have probably been more atrocities committed in the name of Christianity.

I don't think anyone has tried to make the argument that they are not Muslims, only that not every Muslim is a radical thinking terrorist and shouldn't be treated as such.

Other than that I've got no problems calling a spade a spade.

 

[Grunta]

I often wonder where Taliban and Isis get all their money from, they're always rolling round in new hiluxes. Those fucking things are thirsty as and cost 50k a pop, plus whatever that gnarly machine gun on the back costs as an extra.

they could probably really streamline the budget if they cut a deal with Toyota to transition to a fleet of machine gun Prius.
@Fadi ; is there anything that the fundamentalists have against electric vehicles?

Hilux is commonly known as the the Taliwagon.
no self respecting potential suicide bomber would be seen dead (or alive) holding an RPG and cruising for chicks in anything else.

 

[Brick]

Hilux is commonly known as the the Taliwagon.
no self respecting potential suicide bomber would be seen dead (or alive) holding an RPG and cruising for chicks in anything else.

Makes you wonder, maybe Toyota is behind the whole thing?

 

[gerry.]

why are we bothering with occupation of these lands Brick?

 

[Repacked]

They may have actually secured Toyota sponsorship by the looks of it..


The rookies only get the keys to the Kia though..


And China is still catching up....

 

[Brick]

why are we bothering with occupation of these lands Brick?

Oil bro, I get where you were going with electric cars. Same reason we suck Saudi Arabias dick and keep Israel as the wests attack dog

 

[gerry.]

you know what the cost is to taxpayers in Australia?i have no idea.

 

[Brick]

you know what the cost is to taxpayers in Australia?i have no idea.

It'll be shitloads. Probably necessary though.

 

[gerry.]

i rarely enter political discussions based on the fact i dont have enough room in my small brain.plus i tend to think if it doesnt directly affect me,that means its none of my business.Im neutral.Makes sense right?
However theres two things we didnt count on when going into the battlefield.
They have been fighting wars longer than us.Since ancient times bro.thats a long time.
The cost of fighting a war..surely theres a limit as to when and how long money can be pumped into a place where their doesnt seem to be a return.
explain to me the benefit of fighting these people on their home turf?

 

[Fadi]

@Fadi ; do you not feel bad knowing all these people were murdered in cold blood for no reason, by your brothers and in the name of your religion? what have you done to prevent these crimes being committed in the name of your religion? im guessing probably nothing like most other muslims.

the shame these terrorists bring on your people is unreal. and the heat they bring on you as well. the terrorist threat seems to be getting worse not better, do you not worry that eventually the western world will get so fucking sick of this bs they will just wipe the middle east off the map then outlaw islam in our land?

as said in my previous post, how do the muslims who protested the arrests of these terrorists think it will help their cause in any way shape or form? just going to bring more anger and hatred against islam.

the mentality is quite simple, oh so some islamic guys want to abduct someone in sydney and cut there fucking head off in public, the cops arrested them as they should and there are muslims protesting their arrest?? what kind of message does that send. absolutely retarded

Where shall I start with you now, yet again Mr Genics?! Sir, first of all you need to know few things. You can not ignore what I write to you in response to what you ask me, by simply pleading blindness, or by choosing to be a selective reader etc.! I am not here to play games with you or anyone else okay! What I write when I choose to write, I do so not for the purpose of entertainment, but rather I write for the sole purpose of sharing my views as I see the world. And I see the world based on many facets. However you need to rest assured Sir, that hate & prejudice do not play any part of what my views of the world are based on. Ignorance of whom you believe your enemy to be, or perceive him to be, will always serve to bring your own downfall, irrespective of who wins the first battle. Why do I say that? Because when truth comes, falsehood by its very nature is bound to vanish. That was just getting few things off of my chest, as well as a preface of what is to come, so...

In post #305, you wrote the following:

why are people obssesed about being offended, need to get some thicker skin. to many fuck whits are hyper sensitive because we have allowed them to be. in many cases they really need to shut the fuck up.

unless you insult my family your not going to insult me. can shit on my job, where i come from, what i look like, my colour.. and i get this all the time at work, especially for having a scottish accent. i couldnt give a fuck as these people are nothing to me.

someone the other side of the world made a video that apparantly insults islamd and they riot on the streets of sydney? just seems like an excuse to act like a ****, should be 0 tolerance for that crap

Then in post #306, I asked you a question:

I've noticed that you've made one single exception to the standards you hold above. Why?

Then in post # 310 you replied:

its only a minor exception and would have to be to her face. i then wouldnt and go and complain about society in general for one persons comments. they would get a sore face and that would be the end of it.

And you asked me another question in post # 311

@Fadi ; do you honestly condone how hyper senstive some muslims are and how anything seems to offend them?

At post #314, I let you know that I did not understand what you were going on about with your reply of post #310

Huh, you have totally lost me there Genics! What are you talking about? I asked you a simple question, albeit without spelling out who that one exception was, but your reply to me indicates that you have totally misunderstood my question. Would you like me to spell out the obvious Sir, or would you prefer to re read what you wrote in post #305, which prompted me to question you in post #306?



Fadi.

At post #317, I did give you a proper reply to the question you asked me in post #311, which you chose to totally IGNORE!

I can not speak for other Muslims Genics, but I do know the difference between an emotional mind and a rational one. And most often people react instead of respond when they feel they've been wronged or not heard. I also know what it means to look at the micro level, and how the whole story could change when the macro level is examined and put under the spot light.

So to answer your question directly, I neither condone nor do I condemn. I take each case by case basis and examine it thoroughly before passing my judgment onto it. A good example and a case in point is what has occurred couple of nights ago with the night raid on few Muslims' homes. Everybody (including unfortunately) the talk back radio stations, everyone's talking and acting as if they have all the facts before them, when the opposite is true. So as a proud Australian citizen, having full trust in our judicial system, I reserve whatever comment I have, be it towards the NSW Police force, or the people whose homes were raided, until the courts have dealt thoroughly with the matter.Unfortunately we have haters on both sides beating their chest and taking the law into their own hands committing some vigilante acts. Today we had someone call 2UE talk back radio and speak to Justin Smith regarding some people in a blue car throwing a brick at him and calling him an effin Christian, simply because he had a cross dangling from his rear view mirror. The night preceding this incident, mosques were graffitied with some undesirable language.

What we need is clam heads, not the fuel of irrationality and ignorance Genics. Most people who talk about Islam wouldn't even know what the word Islam meant or whether Islam is a religion in the sense they understand Christianity to be a religion. Where do I start?! Ignorance is rampant on both sides of the fence, and ignorance is nothing more than a fuel for hatred that is founded on nothing but fear, fear of the unknown. I gave you the opportunity to talk to me before but you did not take it up. I am a Muslim, a practicing Muslim. You can either go to Dr. Google or Mr Wiki, or some talk back radio or some newspaper to get your information on Islam, or you can talk to a real Muslim about matters that are of concern to you. So if you wish to be mature about it and have a mature man to man discussion with me on the subject, we’ll go ahead. Rudeness and disrespect only serves to drive me away, and the losers are both of us whenever that happens.



Fadi.

Not only did you choose to ignore my reply to you above, but your disrespect was escalated to a higher level, by choosing to ask other members the same question, as if you were craving for their support of your own opinion on the subject. Below is the proof of what I'm talking about, ignoring my reply, and asking others the same question, which tells me that my reply (which you did not acknowledge) was somehow not satisfactory to your way of thinking.

i honestly fail to see how protesting the arrest of terrorists will make every day austrailans open their arms and accept muslims as a peacefull part of australian life...

anyone else?

Today at 4:55am, you still had the audacity to ask me yet another question!!!

@Fadi ; do you not feel bad knowing all these people were murdered in cold blood for no reason, by your brothers and in the name of your religion? what have you done to prevent these crimes being committed in the name of your religion? im guessing probably nothing like most other muslims.

the shame these terrorists bring on your people is unreal. and the heat they bring on you as well. the terrorist threat seems to be getting worse not better, do you not worry that eventually the western world will get so fucking sick of this bs they will just wipe the middle east off the map then outlaw islam in our land?

as said in my previous post, how do the muslims who protested the arrests of these terrorists think it will help their cause in any way shape or form? just going to bring more anger and hatred against islam.

the mentality is quite simple, oh so some islamic guys want to abduct someone in sydney and cut there fucking head off in public, the cops arrested them as they should and there are muslims protesting their arrest?? what kind of message does that send. absolutely retarded

Now you know damn well that I can very easily answer your ignorant, insulting, and disrespectful question above, but this time around, I'm reserving my right to remain silent and let you have more rope.....



Fadi.

 

[gerry.]

It'll be shitloads. Probably necessary though.

another reason why i dont enter political discussions.this argument is circular.none of us will shift our positions.i think we are wasting our time and should withdraw.however im not in charge and have no idea what obligations Australia has to the alliances with the western world and im glad i dont have to make these calls.

 

[Fadi]

oil bro, i get where you were going with electric cars. Same reason we suck saudi arabias dick and keep israel as the wests attack dog

Simply gold, period!

 

[Johnnie Walker]

Where shall I start with you now, yet again Mr Genics?! Sir, first of all you need to know few things. You can not ignore what I write to you in response to what you ask me, by simply pleading blindness, or by choosing to be a selective reader etc.! I am not here to play games with you or anyone else okay! What I write when I choose to write, I do so not for the purpose of entertainment, but rather I write for the sole purpose of sharing my views as I see the world. And I see the world based on many facets. However you need to rest assured Sir, that hate & prejudice do not play any part of what my views of the world are based on. Ignorance of whom you believe your enemy to be, or perceive him to be, will always serve to bring your own downfall, irrespective of who wins the first battle. Why do I say that? Because when truth comes, falsehood by its very nature is bound to vanish. That was just getting few things off of my chest, as well as a preface of what is to come, so...

In post #305, you wrote the following:


Then in post #306, I asked you a question:


Then in post # 310 you replied:


And you asked me another question in post # 311


At post #314, I let you know that I did not understand what you were going on about with your reply of post #310


At post #317, I did give you a proper reply to the question you asked me in post #311, which you chose to totally IGNORE!



Not only did you choose to ignore my reply to you above, but your disrespect was escalated to a higher level, by choosing to ask other members the same question, as if you were craving for their support of your own opinion on the subject. Below is the proof of what I'm talking about, ignoring my reply, and asking others the same question, which tells me that my reply (which you did not acknowledge) was somehow not satisfactory to your way of thinking.


Today at 4:55am, you still had the audacity to ask me yet another question!!!



Now you know damn well that I can very easily answer your ignorant, insulting, and disrespectful question above, but this time around, I'm reserving my right to remain silent and let you have more rope.....



Fadi.

the reason i ignore most of what you say and ask the same thing several times is that you have a very evasive writing style, like most religious people.

 

[Johnnie Walker]

you probably think im some racist filled with hate but that is far from the case. i simpy want an explanation for the behaviour i have talked about

 

[Bazza20]

Not getting in the religious side of the argument because dispute growing up catholic I think they are all a waste of time.

But what shits me about this is some Muslims have been caught planning to behead someone here in Sydney. Now the do gooders are trying to spin it that because people are upset about this that they are racists, xenophobic ect and they are the bad guys. Not the poor people who just want to carry out an innocent beheading.

 

[Darkoz]

Welcome back [MENTION=6722]Bazza20[/MENTION];
what did you do this time?

 

[Fadi]

the reason i ignore most of what you say and ask the same thing several times is that you have a very evasive writing style, like most religious people.

That is a matter of opinion and you Sir are entitled to your opinion. I only give a yes or a no answer kind of replies when the question calls for such a reply. However when the question requires that I should give a deeper reply than a shallow and a superficial one, then I do that too. Now you may not like it, but I don't answer questions according to what people like, but rather to what I consider to be right and proper at the time.

Having said the above, I am challenging you to show or expose my failings to all the members who have decided to contribute in this thread, as to where or how exactly did I not answer your question...where if you member, you were rude to me by insinuating that I should also be there joining in the protest!

@Fadi ; do you honestly condone how hyper senstive some muslims are and how anything seems to offend them?

I can not speak for other Muslims Genics, but I do know the difference between an emotional mind and a rational one. And most often people react instead of respond when they feel they've been wronged or not heard. I also know what it means to look at the micro level, and how the whole story could change when the macro level is examined and put under the spot light.

So to answer your question directly, I neither condone nor do I condemn. I take each case by case basis and examine it thoroughly before passing my judgment onto it. A good example and a case in point is what has occurred couple of nights ago with the night raid on few Muslims' homes. Everybody (including unfortunately) the talk back radio stations, everyone's talking and acting as if they have all the facts before them, when the opposite is true. So as a proud Australian citizen, having full trust in our judicial system, I reserve whatever comment I have, be it towards the NSW Police force, or the people whose homes were raided, until the courts have dealt thoroughly with the matter. Unfortunately we have haters on both sides beating their chest and taking the law into their own hands committing some vigilante acts. Today we had someone call 2UE talk back radio and speak to Justin Smith regarding some people in a blue car throwing a brick at him and calling him an effin Christian, simply because he had a cross dangling from his rear view mirror. The night preceding this incident, mosques were graffitied with some undesirable language.

What we need is clam heads, not the fuel of irrationality and ignorance Genics. Most people who talk about Islam wouldn't even know what the word Islam meant or whether Islam is a religion in the sense they understand Christianity to be a religion. Where do I start?! Ignorance is rampant on both sides of the fence, and ignorance is nothing more than a fuel for hatred that is founded on nothing but fear, fear of the unknown. I gave you the opportunity to talk to me before but you did not take it up. I am a Muslim, a practicing Muslim. You can either go to Dr. Google or Mr Wiki, or some talk back radio or some newspaper to get your information on Islam, or you can talk to a real Muslim about matters that are of concern to you. So if you wish to be mature about it and have a mature man to man discussion with me on the subject, we’ll go ahead. Rudeness and disrespect only serves to drive me away, and the losers are both of us whenever that happens.



Fadi.

you probably think im some racist filled with hate but that is far from the case. i simpy want an explanation for the behaviour i have talked about

What would you care what I think of you, and furthermore, I'm not here to pass judgment on people. You say you want an explanation for the behaviour!Well you going the wrong way about it by being disrespectful, escpeically when I have showed you no disresepect whatsoever. I'm being extremely patient with your bad attitude Genics. The last question you asked me today was rude in the extreme, calling those who are committing the atrocities my brothers. Do you have any idea of what you are saying man?! I swear to you, you talk like that in front of some young hot headed Muslim, and you would only have yourself to blame for whatever consequences you'd be met with!

If you don't think you were disrespectful, I'll give you an example to bring the matter closer to home for you. Have you heard of the SNLA? Now this is like me saying to you hey Genics, what are you gonna do about the terrorist activities that your brothers have been carrying out in your name? My name Fadi?! Hey, you're Scottish are you not?! Can you see how moronic I would sound if I was to expect you to answer for a bunch of criminals now? I hope I've made my point.



Fadi.