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Jihadist Khaled Sharroufs son holds severed head
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@Fadi thank you for the video.
As you can see i posted the quote from facebook, guess someone else also got it from somewhere else too.
I am not out to spread hate....more so scared like most people at the moment about what is happening in our country and on the other sides of the world.....murder conducted under the belief that their religion is telling them to do so.
Very strong believers in what they are doing will earn them a place in heaven and what they are doing is right.
I've read a story of a man who survived an ISIS attack where he and many others were taken to a pool to be shot, he was shot but survived to tell the story. That story was that he was given the chance to convert to Islam or die.....he and the others choose to die....he is alive and able to tell his story so are some others. see story here: ISIS Survivor: They Massacred My Village for Not Converting to Islam
To any non Muslim person this makes us all scared.......we have to question do all Muslims feel like this?
then we see statistics that say 15-25% are radical or believe in radical ideas....they may not act on them but they believe in them......Does this mean 15-25% of Australian Muslims are radical or believe in radical ideas?....from the figures of what we have seen of people leave here to go and fight, of 8yr old boys holding up heads of the dead......what are we to think?
then i see someone post a video on here about a 20 odd year old female student where she basically said yep line them up and kill them all..........she looks harmless to me yet she thinks i should die.....WTF am i suppose to think when i see all these things?
And on the flip side of all of this information we have Muslims protesting about the raids.....hell if a group....an "Australian group of Muslims" shouldn't they be saying I am glad the police stopped this horrific event if it is true and the persons are to eventually be found guilty.......yet we have protests!
FUCKING protests about the fact that many lives were probably saves with an overwhelming amount of evidence to conduct the raids along with ammunition and guns found!
I don't know the evidence nor does the Muslim community if ASIO, AFP, NSW Police have enough intelligence to do these raids then there must be something linking these people to the predicted crimes the authorities have linked them to....so again why protest!
These raids are a good thing.....i have not heard anyone say from the Muslim community say this was a good thing...those people are bad eggs in a basket of many good eggs.....no we all saw the opposite we saw the raids then we saw Muslims condemn the raids.
So when a large group of people go to Lakemba train station to protest the raids it scares the hell out of most people thinking holy shit does the "Australian Muslim" community support these people???
Adding fuel to this fire again this is what we are seeing, a foreign money exchange has been shut down for sending apparently millions of dollars from Syndey to ISIS
60+ known Muslims from Australia are known to be fighting over there....hell it sounds to most people there is a lot of support here in the Muslim community for what is going on over there.
So yeah like most people I am scared, I don't know how these people think, i don't know if they live in the house down the road, i don't know if i am safe to walk the streets for fear of being kidnapped and beheaded.
Is it wrong for me to feel this way i don't think so there is huge amount of things going on which are 1+1+1+1+1+1......and they are adding up very quickly......with most things people view the common denominator in this issue. The common trend in this issue is there are a multitude of things happening in Australia, and overseas and clearly supported by "some" Australian Muslims.
This may not be the best comparison but if i had a brand new car say a new Ford and my car along with all other Ford models from say year 2000-2014 all had 25 different issues this would be classified as a common denominator all ford models = bad right?
So when we see;
60+ Muslims joined ISIS
Muslim owned Foreign exchange sent millions to ISIS
Plotted beheading by Muslims
Muslims online/overseas say you need to convert or die
Muslims that claim convert or die is their calling of their faith to do so
Muslims protesting after terrorist plot was actually stopped
Muslims in Iraq killing in the name of Islam
Muslims we have previously seen on TV saying the flag over parliament house will be changed to their flag and the country conquered
Muslims we have previously seen on TV saying the flag over the white house will be changed to their flag and the country conquered
Angry Muslims protesting in 2012 in Syndey violent events, people hurt, bashed, property damaged because of a film made in the USA
Muslims refusing to follow Australia laws and traditions such as the man that refused to acknowledge the Australia female judge because he said she is nothing
I see a common denominator here I think anyone can see it, the worst part is it is all being done under the context of your religion so yes we as non Muslims think is this what all Muslims think.....obviously we know it's not all but then the question is how many will act on these ideals or support them....from what we have been shown it seems like many.
So yes I like many others are afraid of what is going to happen next, if by me being afraid offends you I am sorry I feel i have a right to feel afraid.
Am I weak for saying i feel afraid? No I am actually man enough to admit it, do i think someone is going to bust down my door and get me? no but in general I am afraid for the future of everyone in Australia and the rest of the world, these people claim they want to take over the world and scare us all saying this is Muslim....and we all think holy shit, are there people here that are like the bad guys?
Please also note I also know several Muslim people who are normal, nice and fine. I have respect for them and they for me.
I dont want anyone on any side Muslim or not getting hurt or killed.
Personally I think the Australian Muslim and non violent Muslim community need to stand together and oust the bad eggs that have been involved in the raids, I am not forcing this on anyone but I also think it wouldn't be a bad idea to call yourselves something else to differentiate from the bad ones something like "Traditional Muslim" or new "Age Muslim" etc....this would help create a different opinion of Muslims and would also show who in the Muslim community is standing up to the bad guys and who isn't.
As you can see i posted the quote from facebook, guess someone else also got it from somewhere else too.
I am not out to spread hate....more so scared like most people at the moment about what is happening in our country and on the other sides of the world.....murder conducted under the belief that their religion is telling them to do so.
Very strong believers in what they are doing will earn them a place in heaven and what they are doing is right.
I've read a story of a man who survived an ISIS attack where he and many others were taken to a pool to be shot, he was shot but survived to tell the story. That story was that he was given the chance to convert to Islam or die.....he and the others choose to die....he is alive and able to tell his story so are some others. see story here: ISIS Survivor: They Massacred My Village for Not Converting to Islam
To any non Muslim person this makes us all scared.......we have to question do all Muslims feel like this?
then we see statistics that say 15-25% are radical or believe in radical ideas....they may not act on them but they believe in them......Does this mean 15-25% of Australian Muslims are radical or believe in radical ideas?....from the figures of what we have seen of people leave here to go and fight, of 8yr old boys holding up heads of the dead......what are we to think?
then i see someone post a video on here about a 20 odd year old female student where she basically said yep line them up and kill them all..........she looks harmless to me yet she thinks i should die.....WTF am i suppose to think when i see all these things?
And on the flip side of all of this information we have Muslims protesting about the raids.....hell if a group....an "Australian group of Muslims" shouldn't they be saying I am glad the police stopped this horrific event if it is true and the persons are to eventually be found guilty.......yet we have protests!
FUCKING protests about the fact that many lives were probably saves with an overwhelming amount of evidence to conduct the raids along with ammunition and guns found!
I don't know the evidence nor does the Muslim community if ASIO, AFP, NSW Police have enough intelligence to do these raids then there must be something linking these people to the predicted crimes the authorities have linked them to....so again why protest!
These raids are a good thing.....i have not heard anyone say from the Muslim community say this was a good thing...those people are bad eggs in a basket of many good eggs.....no we all saw the opposite we saw the raids then we saw Muslims condemn the raids.
So when a large group of people go to Lakemba train station to protest the raids it scares the hell out of most people thinking holy shit does the "Australian Muslim" community support these people???
Adding fuel to this fire again this is what we are seeing, a foreign money exchange has been shut down for sending apparently millions of dollars from Syndey to ISIS
60+ known Muslims from Australia are known to be fighting over there....hell it sounds to most people there is a lot of support here in the Muslim community for what is going on over there.
So yeah like most people I am scared, I don't know how these people think, i don't know if they live in the house down the road, i don't know if i am safe to walk the streets for fear of being kidnapped and beheaded.
Is it wrong for me to feel this way i don't think so there is huge amount of things going on which are 1+1+1+1+1+1......and they are adding up very quickly......with most things people view the common denominator in this issue. The common trend in this issue is there are a multitude of things happening in Australia, and overseas and clearly supported by "some" Australian Muslims.
This may not be the best comparison but if i had a brand new car say a new Ford and my car along with all other Ford models from say year 2000-2014 all had 25 different issues this would be classified as a common denominator all ford models = bad right?
So when we see;
60+ Muslims joined ISIS
Muslim owned Foreign exchange sent millions to ISIS
Plotted beheading by Muslims
Muslims online/overseas say you need to convert or die
Muslims that claim convert or die is their calling of their faith to do so
Muslims protesting after terrorist plot was actually stopped
Muslims in Iraq killing in the name of Islam
Muslims we have previously seen on TV saying the flag over parliament house will be changed to their flag and the country conquered
Muslims we have previously seen on TV saying the flag over the white house will be changed to their flag and the country conquered
Angry Muslims protesting in 2012 in Syndey violent events, people hurt, bashed, property damaged because of a film made in the USA
Muslims refusing to follow Australia laws and traditions such as the man that refused to acknowledge the Australia female judge because he said she is nothing
I see a common denominator here I think anyone can see it, the worst part is it is all being done under the context of your religion so yes we as non Muslims think is this what all Muslims think.....obviously we know it's not all but then the question is how many will act on these ideals or support them....from what we have been shown it seems like many.
So yes I like many others are afraid of what is going to happen next, if by me being afraid offends you I am sorry I feel i have a right to feel afraid.
Am I weak for saying i feel afraid? No I am actually man enough to admit it, do i think someone is going to bust down my door and get me? no but in general I am afraid for the future of everyone in Australia and the rest of the world, these people claim they want to take over the world and scare us all saying this is Muslim....and we all think holy shit, are there people here that are like the bad guys?
Please also note I also know several Muslim people who are normal, nice and fine. I have respect for them and they for me.
I dont want anyone on any side Muslim or not getting hurt or killed.
Personally I think the Australian Muslim and non violent Muslim community need to stand together and oust the bad eggs that have been involved in the raids, I am not forcing this on anyone but I also think it wouldn't be a bad idea to call yourselves something else to differentiate from the bad ones something like "Traditional Muslim" or new "Age Muslim" etc....this would help create a different opinion of Muslims and would also show who in the Muslim community is standing up to the bad guys and who isn't.
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Fadi
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Hi O.N.,
I have read every word you've written, and I will reply to your points today in the day time, since I've nearly finished work and about to head home. I hear you concerns, and I shall address them tomorrow Insha'Allah (God willing). In the meantime, rest assured, there are many more Muslims for peace then there are for violence. The group that protested the raids few nights ago outside of Lakemba station make 0.0002% of the Muslims we have in Australia.
Having said the above, you went on to say that
Fadi.
I have read every word you've written, and I will reply to your points today in the day time, since I've nearly finished work and about to head home. I hear you concerns, and I shall address them tomorrow Insha'Allah (God willing). In the meantime, rest assured, there are many more Muslims for peace then there are for violence. The group that protested the raids few nights ago outside of Lakemba station make 0.0002% of the Muslims we have in Australia.
Having said the above, you went on to say that
Now you're simply being silly, or you think I am some 5 year old you're talking to here. Of course you being afraid does not offend me, but when you decide to be as radical as the people you claim are making you afraid, by spreading misinformation about Islam, which could result in some backlash at heated times like this, then yes you offend me, and not only me, but 1.7 billion Muslims around the world, of which 200 million are in our backyard as you know. So you, me, and everyone has to think before hastily saying or doing something that may have repercussions down the line. You've read what I've written in this thread, please point to a single moment when I actually supported violence or Muslims who are committing acts of violence, You won't find it. I'll leave it here for now and like I said, i shall address your concerns later on in the day. Goodnight brother.
Fadi.
Johnnie Walker
Borderline Kunce
List of Islamic terrorist attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
here are some of the more major terrorist acts by the religion of peace.
now its not to see the western world hasnt bomb the shit out of people, but they do not target civilians nor do it in the name of "god"
here are some of the more major terrorist acts by the religion of peace.
now its not to see the western world hasnt bomb the shit out of people, but they do not target civilians nor do it in the name of "god"
Johnnie Walker
Borderline Kunce
@Fadi ; do you not feel bad knowing all these people were murdered in cold blood for no reason, by your brothers and in the name of your religion? what have you done to prevent these crimes being committed in the name of your religion? im guessing probably nothing like most other muslims.
the shame these terrorists bring on your people is unreal. and the heat they bring on you as well. the terrorist threat seems to be getting worse not better, do you not worry that eventually the western world will get so fucking sick of this bs they will just wipe the middle east off the map then outlaw islam in our land?
as said in my previous post, how do the muslims who protested the arrests of these terrorists think it will help their cause in any way shape or form? just going to bring more anger and hatred against islam.
the mentality is quite simple, oh so some islamic guys want to abduct someone in sydney and cut there fucking head off in public, the cops arrested them as they should and there are muslims protesting their arrest?? what kind of message does that send. absolutely retarded
the shame these terrorists bring on your people is unreal. and the heat they bring on you as well. the terrorist threat seems to be getting worse not better, do you not worry that eventually the western world will get so fucking sick of this bs they will just wipe the middle east off the map then outlaw islam in our land?
as said in my previous post, how do the muslims who protested the arrests of these terrorists think it will help their cause in any way shape or form? just going to bring more anger and hatred against islam.
the mentality is quite simple, oh so some islamic guys want to abduct someone in sydney and cut there fucking head off in public, the cops arrested them as they should and there are muslims protesting their arrest?? what kind of message does that send. absolutely retarded
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El Testicle
Goat that feeling
Whatever you're views are.. you gotta admit, it would be good if all people ; no matter their religion, were as patient and succinct as Fadi.
Truth is, it would be hard to 'successfully' debate out such a loaded topic to the satisfaction of either side of the argument.
Truth is, it would be hard to 'successfully' debate out such a loaded topic to the satisfaction of either side of the argument.
seems that way to me,hes polite and a good representative of his faith.however its true when people say that both muslims and christians believe the unbeliever will be exterminated.
theres no sugar coating that.
sounds like i should join.
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Punxsutawney resident
C'mon Genics, none of what you've written here is helpful, surely now you're just stirring the pot for the sake of it?
I'm not sure whether you are citing the article above to condemn or praise it, but the Lady in question, Pamela Geller, is of Jewish heritage so it is a reasonable conclusion that that she has a particular bias and perspective on the situation. As the Mayor of NY said "These ads are outrageous, inflammatory and wrong, and have no place in New York City, or anywhere. These hateful messages serve only to divide and stigmatize when we should be coming together as one city."
This post adds nothing constructive to the argument. If you read this page it's neutrality is under dispute, meaning is is likely designed to put forth a specific view, which you obviously agree with, but doesn't strengthen your argument.
The bit above is all kinds of offensive.
Why the hell would you question whether [MENTION=2727]Fadi[/MENTION]; feels bad about the death of innocent people. How do you feel about it Genics? He has stated his view of this many times and all of us here feel the same way, there is no dispute; but you know that - another 'question' designed to aggravate. It is an assumption on your behalf that Fadi considers these people his brothers, and to mock him for not picking up a gun and travelling to Syria or Iraq to fight is ridiculous - this is the sort of behaviour we are decrying. You and others have asked why no Muslim has denounced recent events - [MENTION=2727]Fadi[/MENTION]; has done so many times, but we only see what we want to see I guess.
You are correct that these people bring unwanted attention to Islam and Muslims, and the onus is on us to make the distinction for everyone's benefit, and not to run off half cocked spreading more hate out of fear. It is a key sign of lack of understanding. I mean that generally, not directed at anyone specific.
This highlights the problem here - it is not just 'some Islamic guy' that wanted to abduct someone in Sydney. The persons charged have known connections to Isis, and the problem is Extremist behaviour and terrorist organisations, NOT Muslim behaviour. A large part of the issue here is people don't distinguish between the two. It is like people saying all Christians are paedophiles - highly offensive to the people concerned, and I am sure we have Christians here on this board too. Would people be a bit more aware of their potential to offend if we were talking about a different group?
Although I hate citing Wikipedia, just for you Genics:
Christian terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
ONCE AGAIN - this is not about extremist acts. Everyone here feels the same way about this and has stated so explicitly. It is about making a distinction between a comparatively small extremist and terrorist group who claim what they are doing is righteous - as has nearly every other terrorist group for centuries before them - and a religious denomination with no link to these people other than the fervent claims of terrorists.
I'm not sure whether you are citing the article above to condemn or praise it, but the Lady in question, Pamela Geller, is of Jewish heritage so it is a reasonable conclusion that that she has a particular bias and perspective on the situation. As the Mayor of NY said "These ads are outrageous, inflammatory and wrong, and have no place in New York City, or anywhere. These hateful messages serve only to divide and stigmatize when we should be coming together as one city."
This post adds nothing constructive to the argument. If you read this page it's neutrality is under dispute, meaning is is likely designed to put forth a specific view, which you obviously agree with, but doesn't strengthen your argument.
The bit above is all kinds of offensive.
Why the hell would you question whether [MENTION=2727]Fadi[/MENTION]; feels bad about the death of innocent people. How do you feel about it Genics? He has stated his view of this many times and all of us here feel the same way, there is no dispute; but you know that - another 'question' designed to aggravate. It is an assumption on your behalf that Fadi considers these people his brothers, and to mock him for not picking up a gun and travelling to Syria or Iraq to fight is ridiculous - this is the sort of behaviour we are decrying. You and others have asked why no Muslim has denounced recent events - [MENTION=2727]Fadi[/MENTION]; has done so many times, but we only see what we want to see I guess.
You are correct that these people bring unwanted attention to Islam and Muslims, and the onus is on us to make the distinction for everyone's benefit, and not to run off half cocked spreading more hate out of fear. It is a key sign of lack of understanding. I mean that generally, not directed at anyone specific.
This highlights the problem here - it is not just 'some Islamic guy' that wanted to abduct someone in Sydney. The persons charged have known connections to Isis, and the problem is Extremist behaviour and terrorist organisations, NOT Muslim behaviour. A large part of the issue here is people don't distinguish between the two. It is like people saying all Christians are paedophiles - highly offensive to the people concerned, and I am sure we have Christians here on this board too. Would people be a bit more aware of their potential to offend if we were talking about a different group?
Although I hate citing Wikipedia, just for you Genics:
Christian terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
ONCE AGAIN - this is not about extremist acts. Everyone here feels the same way about this and has stated so explicitly. It is about making a distinction between a comparatively small extremist and terrorist group who claim what they are doing is righteous - as has nearly every other terrorist group for centuries before them - and a religious denomination with no link to these people other than the fervent claims of terrorists.
If your so enamoured with this ideology pack your shit go to Syria and join your pals.
This is war, you either pick sides or die in the cross fire.
Pacifist is just what you call the cùnts you shoot in the back while they run away
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Punxsutawney resident
You're an idiot Brick.
Ah yeah right, I'm the idiot writing lengthy diatribes on a bb forum full if self righteous prose...............
I often wonder where Taliban and Isis get all their money from, they're always rolling round in new hiluxes. Those fucking things are thirsty as and cost 50k a pop, plus whatever that gnarly machine gun on the back costs as an extra.
they could probably really streamline the budget if they cut a deal with Toyota to transition to a fleet of machine gun Prius.
[MENTION=2727]Fadi[/MENTION]; is there anything that the fundamentalists have against electric vehicles?
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Punxsutawney resident
No, you just expect that others just will agree with the simple minded rhetoric you spew out you goose. But I do agree that this is a BB ing forum not for politics or theology. There are plenty of right wing websites out there you can pollute with your drivel.
You a communist komrade?
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Punxsutawney resident
Haha no mate.
Despite the level of ignorant crap in your posts some of them do make me laugh.
You xenophobic bro?
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