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Cheat meals.....

Bazza20 said:
Didn't really answer the question.

Are you trying to get into ripped to shreds comp ready bodybuilder style condition?
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Trying to get in the best condition possible - yes - my current goal is 100kgs but I am happy and ready to keep going to see what results come....

Believe me I am not dieting this hard for no reason haha

I'd also like to point out that for myself and alot of people this isnt the norm - last time I dieted like this was over 2 years ago and the time before that was prob about 3 years....

But I know when I need to flick the switch and when I have a goal I stick to it and do everything I can to get there....
 
jzpowahz said:
Dieting to comp leanness is going to require a fairly drastic reduction in cals (and macros obviously) so of course it is going to be more strict on food choices.

You are still on an IIFYM diet it's just that you are choosing to eat only the foods that you deem to be "clean".

You go back to maintenance and above and you can still eat all your "clean" foods and because you have a higher calorie allowance you can also fit in the other stuff.

Pretty simple I thought.
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Totally agree mate and as I said IIFYM is simply common sense with a label....
 
Rugby88 said:
Trying to get in the best condition possible - yes - my current goal is 100kgs but I am happy and ready to keep going to see what results come....

Believe me I am not dieting this hard for no reason haha

I'd also like to point out that for myself and alot of people this isnt the norm - last time I dieted like this was over 2 years ago and the time before that was prob about 3 years....

But I know when I need to flick the switch and when I have a goal I stick to it and do everything I can to get there....
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So you still haven't said why its unhealthy.
 
Bazza20 said:
So you still haven't said why its unhealthy.
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Dieting? Do you really need me explain why dieting isn't really the best thing to do long term?

Limiting your calories for a long period of time is never really healthy....

Remember we are talking dieting to get in the best possible condition, while keeping muscle mass, keeping intensity in the gym etc etc - I am not simply talking about dropping acouple of kg's over the course of acouple of months...

Remember theres a difference - don't lump everything into one bucket - this limits results.
 
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Big Mick said:
You paint yourself orange and step on stage in your speedos.:p

Or

You go to a music festival and walk around with no shirt on.:eek:
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LOL

Rugby88 is right though. Our bodies don't like to be in deficit for too long. There is a reason why refeeds, diet breaks and reverse dieting exist. Not everyone does it in a structured way of course.
 
The body needs periods of caloric restriction and periods of excess
This is how we evolved, it is the natural flow of things

I used to believe in "recomp" but now know it's pretty much a fools errand. You can diet down slowly, but gaining and losing as fast as possible is probably the best method and it makes sense from an evolutionary stand point. I tried to "recomp" but there was just two "modes"- where I got bigger but not fatter and where I just felt weak with no change in body composition.

If you're fat (10% or above) you will need to diet for an extended period of time, 4 weeks won't cut it at all, so you'll need cheat meals. My aim is to get to a place where I will just need to diet hard for 2-4 weeks. For body building purporses you really can't justify being over 8%. You'll gain better when leaner and can cut for a shorter period of time and you get away with far more shenanigans

It's being a long and painful road to 6% so far. Hopefully just a few more weeks. It's been fairly easy though, just need some willpower to not eat like a hippo every day. Unfortunately most people are deluded on how many calories they need to eat and will eat far too much even when cutting. Sure you can drag it out for months but that seems like a terrible idea. I've felt much better the harder I've cut for sure.
 
0ni said:
"The body needs periods of caloric restriction and periods of excess
This is how we evolved, it is the natural flow of things

I used to believe in "recomp" but now know it's pretty much a fools errand. You can diet down slowly, but gaining and losing as fast as possible is probably the best method and it makes sense from an evolutionary stand point. I tried to "recomp" but there was just two "modes"- where I got bigger but not fatter and where I just felt weak with no change in body composition.

If you're fat (10% or above) you will need to diet for an extended period of time, 4 weeks won't cut it at all, so you'll need cheat meals. My aim is to get to a place where I will just need to diet hard for 2-4 weeks. For body building purporses you really can't justify being over 8%. You'll gain better when leaner and can cut for a shorter period of time and you get away with far more shenanigans

It's being a long and painful road to 6% so far. Hopefully just a few more weeks. It's been fairly easy though, just need some willpower to not eat like a hippo every day. Unfortunately most people are deluded on how many calories they need to eat and will eat far too much even when cutting. Sure you can drag it out for months but that seems like a terrible idea. I've felt much better the harder I've cut for sure.
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Who wrote this?
 
0ni said:
The body needs periods of caloric restriction and periods of excess
This is how we evolved, it is the natural flow of things

I used to believe in "recomp" but now know it's pretty much a fools errand. You can diet down slowly, but gaining and losing as fast as possible is probably the best method and it makes sense from an evolutionary stand point.
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This is not true, it's a worry if you believe this
 
Rugby88 said:
Dieting? Do you really need me explain why dieting isn't really the best thing to do long term?

Limiting your calories for a long period of time is never really healthy....

Remember we are talking dieting to get in the best possible condition, while keeping muscle mass, keeping intensity in the gym etc etc - I am not simply talking about dropping acouple of kg's over the course of acouple of months...

Remember theres a difference - don't lump everything into one bucket - this limits results.
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There is plenty of science suggesting calorie restriction extends life expectancy. Not that I would follow it. But just restricting calories shouldn't mean your diet is unhealthy.
 
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Here two good studies
Overfeeding results in pretty much an even split of muscle and fat in untrained people, just regular joes. Not only that but female. Now imagine a male that trains heavy and frequently
Now of course you can't do this forever, this is why permabulking is stupid, you don't get the benefit of overeating and the body strives for homoeostasis and just gets fatter

Overeat for a few weeks, then diet back down for a few weeks. Start lean
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/430238
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/49/4/608.abstract

I'd like to see the physique of anyone who never cut or bulked, they just ate gradually larger and larger amounts. I did this for a while and it just ended up in epic visceral fat gain and minimal muscular gain
 
Bazza20 said:
There is plenty of science suggesting calorie restriction extends life expectancy. Not that I would follow it. But just restricting calories shouldn't mean your diet is unhealthy.
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I think you are referring to small fasting periods - which yes is correct - it has been shown to be in some studies to increase life expectancy - we are talking restriction of calories for upto 10, 12 weeks +
 
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