The protein issue

[Goosey]

When i was a kid (18~30), all i was interested in was meat and bones.
Getting into fights
and rooting.
Our genes where set millions of years ago, listen to them.



At the end of the day, If you are not eating enough, your body starts complaining.

 

[Goosey]

All this paleo stuff, protien and carbs, processed versus raw... crossfit versus powerlifting is interesting discussion, we continually look for the easy way.

We no longer spend time killing and raping, we now look to other ways to satisfy our primal instinct.

 

[myst]

All this paleo stuff, protien and carbs, processed versus raw... crossfit versus powerlifting is interesting discussion, we continually look for the easy way.

We no longer spend time killing and raping, we now look to other ways to satisfy our primal instinct.

That's why people should all be playing Battlefield 4 and not whinging about protein on the internet

Just try it all, go high protein high fat low carb, then try moderate everything and find what works for you. Personally I've done 350+ of protein when cutting and had to drop my carbs to get my daily calories as required, I ended up looking like a piece of shit who didn't lift as opposed to a piece of shit who lifts occasionally when my carbs are higher.

There is no one size fits all here, we're all different, on different substances lifting different weights in varying amounts of volume wearing different coloured shoes.

 

[Bazza20]

The way I see it
Calories are calories. I'd rather get them from protein, increasing the number of fats for strength training naturally than get my calories from fattier foods or adding carbohydrates. What do you think will be better for insulin resistance in the long term? There is nothing wrong with getting the bulk of your calories from protein sources. Who gives a fuck about if it's overkill. You only need 30g of dextrose post workout to make yourself incredibly insulin sensitive. If someone added more, I doubt very much someone would call them out for it being "overkill"

Too much protein? Lol. No-one ever says too many carbs or fats. Yet the forum is full of fat perma-bulkers. I wonder why

The remainder that is unused gets turned into glucose and stored as glycogen

Diet advise from a bloke that weighs the same as most 16 year olds. Lol. Ok.

Wasn't it only a week ago you were recommending double your body weight pounds in grams of fat and not stress about the protein. You don't even know what you are doing.

No one says too many carbs?lol You hear it all the time.

Mick agrees with your diet advise. Well their is a red flag.

No one cares if you wanna eat 6000grams of protein a day.

 

[Bazza20]

Tend to agree with this, if you are going to eat x amount of calories, you might as well have proteins and fat rather than adding processed carbohydrates. For exact reasons mentioned by Oni.

Unless you have trouble putting on weight, may be add carbs as well, not for health reasons but bulking reasons, carbs are not required or essential for the human body to be healthy. However fats and protein is.

Carbs are great for preserving muscle and strength on a cut. You don't think that's beneficial?

 

[0ni]

THIS IS THE ENTIRE POINT OF THE THREAD
I put this in the last line so it would be the very last people read but yet people still missed it

Diet is PERSONAL PREFERENCE
CALORIES come first. There is no too much protein or fats or carbs. You just eat what allows you to eat what you need to eat. I need to lower my calories further. So I go for turkey mince. Why? Because I can eat 1.25kg of it in a single meal and still be low on calories. This is a lot and it fills me up. The protein is incidental. Sure I don't "use it all" whatever the fuck that means. But pushing protein high for me keeps me strong and happy while I diet down. I don't care about protein at all I am just eating in such a way that keeps me full. This means taking in half my calories from protein

Then you have Bazza, if he doesn't eat carbs when his glycogen depletes he can't keep the intensity up in football. So does this mean keto is bad or vice versa? No it means that for him he needs to lay things differently out. ITS PERSONAL PREFERENCE YOU'RE DELUDING YOURSELF IF YOU THINK THERE IS SOME SORT OF METABOLIC TRICKERY INVOLVED IN MACRONUTRIENTS

If you find that eating oats in the morning keeps you full and you're trying to bulk THEN DON'T EAT OATS. DOESN'T MEAN THAT OATS ARE BAD. If you're trying to lose weight and you find that chicken wings make you progressively hungrier as I did THEN DON'T EAT THEM IF YOU'RE TRYING TO LOSE WEIGHT

Why is this so fucking difficult?

 

[Bazza20]

THIS IS THE ENTIRE POINT OF THE THREAD
I put this in the last line so it would be the very last people read but yet people still missed it

Diet is PERSONAL PREFERENCE
CALORIES come first. There is no too much protein or fats or carbs. You just eat what allows you to eat what you need to eat. I need to lower my calories further. So I go for turkey mince. Why? Because I can eat 1.25kg of it in a single meal and still be low on calories. This is a lot and it fills me up. The protein is incidental. Sure I don't "use it all" whatever the fuck that means. But pushing protein high for me keeps me strong and happy while I diet down. I don't care about protein at all I am just eating in such a way that keeps me full. This means taking in half my calories from protein

Then you have Bazza, if he doesn't eat carbs when his glycogen depletes he can't keep the intensity up in football. So does this mean keto is bad or vice versa? No it means that for him he needs to lay things differently out. ITS PERSONAL PREFERENCE YOU'RE DELUDING YOURSELF IF YOU THINK THERE IS SOME SORT OF METABOLIC TRICKERY INVOLVED IN MACRONUTRIENTS

If you find that eating oats in the morning keeps you full and you're trying to bulk THEN DON'T EAT OATS. DOESN'T MEAN THAT OATS ARE BAD. If you're trying to lose weight and you find that chicken wings make you progressively hungrier as I did THEN DON'T EAT THEM IF YOU'RE TRYING TO LOSE WEIGHT

Why is this so fucking difficult?

Good post. I agree.

 

[Sydking]

How are you getting in that much?

Thats a hell of a lot Soluble fiber......

Insoluble fiber is what you really want, Found in vegetables &Whole grains

 

[Goosey]

THIS IS THE ENTIRE POINT OF THE THREAD
I put this in the last line so it would be the very last people read but yet people still missed it

Diet is PERSONAL PREFERENCE
CALORIES come first. There is no too much protein or fats or carbs. You just eat what allows you to eat what you need to eat. I need to lower my calories further. So I go for turkey mince. Why? Because I can eat 1.25kg of it in a single meal and still be low on calories. This is a lot and it fills me up. The protein is incidental. Sure I don't "use it all" whatever the fuck that means. But pushing protein high for me keeps me strong and happy while I diet down. I don't care about protein at all I am just eating in such a way that keeps me full. This means taking in half my calories from protein

Then you have Bazza, if he doesn't eat carbs when his glycogen depletes he can't keep the intensity up in football. So does this mean keto is bad or vice versa? No it means that for him he needs to lay things differently out. ITS PERSONAL PREFERENCE YOU'RE DELUDING YOURSELF IF YOU THINK THERE IS SOME SORT OF METABOLIC TRICKERY INVOLVED IN MACRONUTRIENTS

If you find that eating oats in the morning keeps you full and you're trying to bulk THEN DON'T EAT OATS. DOESN'T MEAN THAT OATS ARE BAD. If you're trying to lose weight and you find that chicken wings make you progressively hungrier as I did THEN DON'T EAT THEM IF YOU'RE TRYING TO LOSE WEIGHT

Why is this so fucking difficult?

Thataboy

 

[Sydking]

I was eating paleo before it was called paleo

When ever someone says paleo i think of potatoes.....

mmmmm Po - ta - to

 

[0ni]

Good post. I agree.

I know you do this is why I get so angry and frustrated at you
Like the answer is right there but people will debate this stupid nonsense because something different worked for them

I eat a natural human diet because I don't like the insulin spikes I get from grains and they bloat me a little and I get energy crashes. Cutting out processed foods is a good way to make sure you're healthy. Is it the only way? No not at all but it's very easy. I have no desire to eat these foods, apart from some of the tastier dairies so it works for me

 

[strong enough?]

Nice summary from Lyle on the actual topic: Protein Controversies | BodyRecomposition - The Home of Lyle McDonald
and:
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/mu...irements-for-strength-and-power-athletes.html

 

[0ni]

lmao I skipped straight to the summary and it said "And yet, I’m going to tell you how to rationalize all of the above stuff that I imagine most of you skimmed in the first place"

Top lel

 

[Goosey]

From my POV, and at my age, all this shit is becoming even more important.

Trying to understand it all.
Past the age of 30 things start changing and I believe there must be emphasis on mainting a youthful body composition and activity patterns and levels.
Even going hungry sometimes Is a good thing.

I think the risks of our old wild human life has influenced our genes.
Seeing as we lived a short life due to the risks, (mainly by predators) our genes would have not invested in the kind of maintance functions that would keep us *well* in our old age.
Sort of explains why many over 70 become ill and frail.

 

[0ni]

From my POV, and at my age, all this shit is becoming even more important.

Trying to understand it all.
Past the age of 30 things start changing and I believe there must be emphasis on mainting a youthful body composition and activity patterns and levels.
Even going hungry sometimes Is a good thing.

I think the risks of our old wild human life has influenced our genes.
Seeing as we lived a short life due to the risks, (mainly by predators) our genes would have not invested in the kind of maintance functions that would keep us *well* in our old age.
Sort of explains why many over 70 become ill and frail.

Do you know galeniko?

He follows a diet very similar to my own, but gets more of his calories from protein and less from fats. Focuses on health and looking good for women more than anything

 

[lkt004]

From my POV, and at my age, all this shit is becoming even more important.

Trying to understand it all.
Past the age of 30 things start changing and I believe there must be emphasis on mainting a youthful body composition and activity patterns and levels.
Even going hungry sometimes Is a good thing.

I think the risks of our old wild human life has influenced our genes.
Seeing as we lived a short life due to the risks, (mainly by predators) our genes would have not invested in the kind of maintance functions that would keep us *well* in our old age.
Sort of explains why many over 70 become ill and frail.

Oxygen and a breakdown of telomeres are what causes illness and frailness in old age. Not really relevant but hey

 

[DREADLIFT]

Oxygen and a breakdown of telomeres are what causes illness and frailness in old age. Not really relevant but hey

Increased levels of IGF have also been linked to ageing faster, and by fasting and/or consuming a low protein diet has been shown to blunt IGF factors and increasing longevity.

But fuck that, the commies will get us first.

 

[lkt004]

Interesting, those with increased telomere length usually have a higher level of igf-1.

 

[0ni]

Depends what is meant by higher
Having your IGF-1 in the 300-400 zone will not age you it will keep you young

 

[DREADLIFT]

I recalled that wrong, it was more linked to the occurence of cellular disease as opposed to ageing, in turn effecting life expectancy.

With higher IGF levels the body is in constant growth mode, new cells, rapid expansion and more chance for things to go wrong at the cellular level etc.

With lower IGF levels the body "switches" to maintenance and repair.

This was all taken from a documentary, while although the science was there, was adapted for viewing purposes.