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Testogel

I've had bloods done for Test and its low. I need other bloods done now to see where my e2 is at before I can go to a specialist to try a course of action.

Not making any shit up. Investigation lead me to getting bloods done which confirmed my thinking.

Cheers,
Mike
 
n00bs said:
Thought you were referring to People here..
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No were did I say or imply people are making up problems but the symptoms commonly listed for low test would have been experienced by pretty much everyone at one time or another.
 
Bazza20 said:
No were did I say or imply people are making up problems but the symptoms commonly listed for low test would have been experienced by pretty much everyone at one time or another.
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That's why you investigate problems find the root cause then treat the problem
.. I always advocate this and always will.
 
I would say a very high % of adult males would have low test.

Also someone said before about thinking they had low test last yr - isnt it possible for hormone levels to go up and down from week to week, month to month, year to year - just wondering how long you guys had these problems for before going on something? - Its not saying you just want to go on
 
It's dangerous for someone to have low T. It's bad for your health, your job, your relationship your entire life. Now are you trying to tell me that it placebo that my life is better now?

Are you trying to say that anyone who has been tested and shown to have low test could get a placebo effect from TRT?
 
PowerSports said:
I would say a very high % of adult males would have low test.

Also someone said before about thinking they had low test last yr - isnt it possible for hormone levels to go up and down from week to week, month to month, year to year - just wondering how long you guys had these problems for before going on something? - Its not saying you just want to go on
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Does this high percentage train and eat well or do they drink beer and eat shit?
 
PowerSports said:
just wondering how long you guys had these problems for before going on something?
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Maybe 20 years... Given I'm 40 now and I'm pretty sure I wasn't born with low Test (well technically I was, but you know what I mean). I knew it would drop at this age anyway, but there's no reason I should just accept that. Who wants to be your average grumpy old man when there's stuff that can sort it out.

Cheers,
Mike
 
Gaucheharbor said:
It's dangerous for someone to have low T. It's bad for your health, your job, your relationship your entire life. Now are you trying to tell me that it placebo that my life is better now?

Are you trying to say that anyone who has been tested and shown to have low test could get a placebo effect from TRT?
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Fark me, low test must have effected your eyesight as well because that's not even close to what I was saying.
 
Gaucheharbor said:
What if you eat right, your fit, sleep allot and don't drink alcohol? Shouldn't you feel better?

Ok there are allot of things that can give you those symptoms but now I'm on testosterone I don't feel any symptoms....
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Not always. Some of the things that can cause it like tumors on the pituitary gland cant be gotten rid of by clean living. Some things can tho but not everything :P
 
low test as a result of aging is normal and natural and while people free to do whatever they want with their bodies, there are ethical reasons why it might be difficult to find a doctor who wants to "treat" it (treat implying there is something wrong).

low test as a result of disease or some congenital reason is completely different.

This reminded of something interesting I recently read in the IPF annual report: http://www.powerlifting-ipf.com/fileadmin/data/Newscontainer/Minutes_GA_2010_HP.pdf (see page 13). They talk about the large number of masters athletes who were requesting therapeutic use exemptions for test/HGH treatment, mostly coming from US anti-aging clinics. The IPF rejected these were they were simply in response to natural aging. But the interesting bit is where they say they are currently considering a case for exemption for "congenital deficiency, which is the sole and rare opportunity for approval".
 
Gaucheharbor said:
Yeah they can.

Gp's can't prescribe steroids and hcg etc??? (that's what my gp told me) How is a GP giving you scripts for them?
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Yes a gp can prescribe test Hcg and clomid or arimadex
Gaucheharbor said:
You say you have tried test e as well? Was that doctor prescribed
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Yes the test e was dr prescribed and so was the bioidentical cream and trouche that I was prescribed
Bazza20 said:
The thing that I see is those symptoms could have a wide range of causes. People self diagnose themselves over google that they have low test and are convinced they need to be perscribed test to fix all there problems. They then jump from GP to GP untill they find one willing to give them test and then the problems disappear.


If people believe enough that something is going to work for them it most likely will.

Could there a placebo effect going on here with some peope.

Problem is there could be another underlying cause. Or it could be just feeling run down and then convincing yourself you need test.
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I was diagnosed with blood tests
PowerSports said:
I would say a very high % of adult males would have low test.

Also someone said before about thinking they had low test last yr - isnt it possible for hormone levels to go up and down from week to week, month to month, year to year - just wondering how long you guys had these problems for before going on something? - Its not saying you just want to go on
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kindred said:
Not always. Some of the things that can cause it like tumors on the pituitary gland cant be gotten rid of by clean living. Some things can tho but not everything :P
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I had numerous tests done inluding scans on my pituitary. resting cotisol tests etc
 
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Interesting... So now that I have a legit diagnosis my doctor might come to the party.

I wonder if hgh could be used for trt....
 
I saw my GP today, but he said he COULD Prescribe it, but I needed to get a letter from my endo outlining my treatment.
 
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