If the shoulder is suspect then building strength is the goal.
and more importantly balanced strength between the antagonist.
so, if one was to be stupid enough to do a split routine then at least do a push/pull on the same day at the same intensity
Question for your silverback,
What is the negatives of a split routine?
After reading this thread i notice your negative towards it,
Cheers,
I've made comments, many comments over the years, but in a nut-shell;
it's impossible to split the body as the system requires recovery as well as the body part worked, if you want to make a split routine work for you and your work rate is high, as in the intensity of work is high, you'd need to take steroids.
I never inderstood why beginners did anything other than full body.
There's more than one way to skin a cat.
Lots of different training styles.
Totally.
i think for a well seasoned trainee a split type workout could work well, when I say split I mean a workout a full body workout with an emphasis on a particular area would work well.
What's a well seasoned trainee?
Someone who has worked out many years over 45 and relatively injury free.
This makes totally no sense....lol sorry mate....
it's impossible to split the body as the system requires recovery as well as the body part worked, if you want to make a split routine work for you and your work rate is high, as in the intensity of work is high, you'd need to take steroids.
I am trying to understand this comment - your saying if your on a high intensity split routine you will need to take steroids?
Even though generally with a split routine your giving your muscles more time to recover than say if you were on a more fullbody style split like 5x5 etc...
There are two words here that are causing or that are the cause of this slight confusion as I see it. When Andy wrote his comment, he was careful to use the word "system". Even though he did not explain there and there what he was alluding to by his usage of this term, his overall comment made it crystal clear that he was referring to the nervous system and not the muscular system.
As you can see, Andy is focusing on the nerves, whilst Rugby88 is talking muscles.
So yes, if one was to train with high intensity on a split routine, even though as Rugby88 suggested that due to this routine being of the "split" type in comparison with a full body routine, one would suffer, not muscular wise, but rather overall nervous system wise, which would ultimately eat deep into one's ability to recover fully, unless one is using steroids in order to compensate for that lack of and much required overall recovery.
Thank you sir, I also admire your discipline.Ps totally get what your sayin n you know I love your work
Might be a rookie question here fadi, but you mention that the nervous system can't cope, and,recovery won't take place unless steroids are taken.
I know about it from first hand experience through NFOR (non-functional overreaching). It's not a place you wanna be for too long, but it's a place you'd wanna visit in order to appreciate all that is below such a high level of training. Again, I'm talking neural as opposed to metabolic type of training.I'm not to sure about this overtraining the "nervous system".
Yes, I am saying that due to the perceived threat / stress (that is the high intensity neural type of training mainly), your SNS comes into play in order to control the situation/threat if you like. And again, you're 100% on the money when you mentioned the catabolic hormone cortisol responding to such a threat, in addition, your adrenal glands would be further stimulated to release that fight or flight chemical we know as adrenalin. The more of this catabolic hormones, the less protein synthesis and more glycogen degradation through the conversion of muscle glycogen into glucose for muscle fuel / energy.Fadi, you didn't really explain (or I didn't pick it up) how the nervous system if effected from a physiological perspective.
what are the changes, and the parts of the system effected.
as per my post, are you,referring to the system moving to symathetic and cortisol?
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