Deadlifts vs. Deficit Deadlifts

[miicah]

I suppose the casual trainers such as myself who are pressed for time like to make excuses for not doing a huge number of variants of the lifts/accessory exercises. We invoke the "economy of training" argument, which is the antithesis of hardcore.

I've always wondered about this, how many hours a day would someone who is "hardcore" train and how much can you realisticly do in a session before you start over training? Can you actually do deads, then deficit deads then RDLs then GHRs in one session?

 

[The Hamburgler]

To add to that, reduced flexibility to me, means that a muscle is weak, it's a protective response.

All this "power" talk is nonsense, increase the strength of a muscle and you inturn increase its power and torque.

Best way to move 100kg quickly?
Get strong enough to move 200kg

 

[Goosey]

Yeah G

That's it.

 

[0ni]

Best way to move 100kg quickly?
Get strong enough to move 200kg

Tell that to Fadi RE the first pull
Never have my jimmies been so rustled

I agree with you though

 

[Fadi]

Every Olympic weightlifter wants and needs to get strong, that’s a fact. However no sane weightlifter would want to gain strength beyond and above a point of diminishing returns. Therefore, if I’m able to clean and jerk 160kg, I would not waste my time focusing on pulling a weight that is far and beyond that 160kg. Why, some may be asking. Why not train for pure strength, get really proficient in pulling 250kg off the floor, wouldn’t that make the 160kg feel easier to lift, and perhaps increase it to (say) 180kg in no time flat!

Well some believe it helps, that is, lifting huge weights off the floor (pulls) or dead lifts (as some would wanna go), would be an ideal way to improve on the power aspect, or the explosive aspect of a given lift. That was NOT the way I trained as an Olympic weightlifter however, and 30 years on, that’s NOT the way today’s weightlifters train.

Yes, there’s always an exception to that rule, and Klokov was mentioned on a previous occasion as one who likes to lift huge weights in order to better his power output, or his Olympic lifts. Well, the record and his lifts when compared with others (the majority of lifters including Akkaev or Dolega) speak volume of the end results. Furthermore, I have made mention of a pure strength lifter in Shane Hamman, whilst lifting monstrous weights in the squats, deadlifts, and bench press, his results in the 2004 Athens Olympic Games speak for themselves when compared with Hossein Rezazadeh.

It's always good to compare apples with apples, and to train accordingly to your chosen sport.

Respect.


Fadi.

 

[Brick]

In b4 oni floods thread with articles and blogs supporting his viewpoint.

For what its worth fadi your logic is probably wasted on oni

 

[Darkoz]

In b4 oni floods thread with articles and blogs supporting his viewpoint.

For what its worth fadi your logic is probably wasted on oni

Spooky Fluff, I thought it and lo and behold it appeared as a post here

 

[0ni]

I already argued this shit to death so just read what I posted elsewhere

 

[Darkoz]

I already argued this shit to death so just read what I posted elsewhere

Why?

 

[0ni]

I also think that if someone lifts in the olympics, you should sit the fuck down and listen to what they have to say about how they train, regardless of whether or not someone else lifts more than them. You can only have the "correct" way to train if you win the Olympics? Nigga please

 

[0ni]

Why?

I argued that max effort work has it's place in the training of the olympic lifts and despite what fadi says, lots of successful lifters regularly perform max effort (non-competition) lifts in their training in the form of push pressing, "deadlifting" (you obviously need to keep the same form as a clean or snatch pull so deadlift isn't the right term as the technique is different) and squatting. The Chinese and Peruvians will often do max effort pulls in training and if it works for them, it gets my a-peru-val as it must be a-llama-lingly good etc

 

[Darkoz]

I also think that if someone lifts in the olympics, you should sit the fuck down and listen to what they have to say about how they train, regardless of whether or not someone else lifts more than them. You can only have the "correct" way to train if you win the Olympics? Nigga please

You say some really dumb and disrespectful things on a regular basis and this is one of them.
I'm embarrassed that you live in the same state.

 

[Darkoz]

I argued that max effort work has it's place in the training of the olympic lifts and despite what fadi says, lots of successful lifters regularly perform max effort (non-competition) lifts in their training in the form of push pressing, "deadlifting" (you obviously need to keep the same form as a clean or snatch pull so deadlift isn't the right term as the technique is different) and squatting. The Chinese and Peruvians will often do max effort pulls in training and if it works for them, it gets my a-peru-val as it must be a-llama-lingly good etc

Why are you even trying to explain anything to me.
I thought by now you'd realize that you have zero credibility

 

[0ni]

You don't think that if someone competes in the Olympics they might be training in a way that works for them? lol

Posting Olympic lifters doing max effort work now, just because
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kenjwp17Upo]Chinese style clean pull? Zhang Jie 62kg class - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Darkoz]

You'd be fucked without the Internet

 

[0ni]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Luppg-LVb5Q]Coach Wu 180kgs Snatch Balance - YouTube[/ame]
Wu only snatches 120kg... dunno why he is lifting 60kg more than his max obviously will have no carry over LOL

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCMoJjZgDiw]230KG x 1 Back Squat. Coach Wu - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Goosey]

Time for bed 0ni

 

[Sticky]

This thread is about deficit deadlifts.

Back on topic.

 

[0ni]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZfxklV2Mug]Shankle280kgsquat - YouTube[/ame]
Far too much weight at 70kg more than his best.... all that strength will slow him down LOL

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK7m6I5m6gY[/ame]
Obviously the reason he keeps bombing! 200kg snatch? lol anyone can do that with straps in training

 

[kaz]

Those vids aren't deficit Deadlifts.

(Insert supportive link here)