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Spritcha
New member
I am not trying to humiliate you.
You have just contradicted yourself. You say you never went behind anyones' back. You now say you used comments by people you do not know. Did you ask for permission from any one of them? If not, how could you possibly maintain that you did not go behind their backs? People might say things on a facebook conversation with another person and not expect that to be pulled out of context and used in an article. The public domain argument is sad dude.
spartacus
Well-known member
First email to all powerlifting feds,
I am conducting research on Australian powerlifting and feel it is only fair to ask officials of each federation for possible input.
see attached.
Cheers,
Chris Lewis
Dear Sir/Madam,
I am currently researching an article on how or whether it is possible that an Australian sport with different federations can be subject to drug testing, in this case powerlifting. This article will be published in an Australian public policy journal, not sure which one yet, assuming the material is good enough.
Despite much conflict in the sport, made evident in various documents since 1989, I hope my inquiry to the different federations can obtain some important input from all of you (I have written this letter to all federations). Hopefully my article can provide a chance for each federation to offer its position to correct any real or exaggerated perception of the sport given recent public debate. It is not my intention to take sides, but to answer the question in a balance and fair way, albeit the article may blame past Australian government/s for the situation.
At the very least, I hope that each federation can answer some of the following questions where they are deemed relevant to each federation. If you are interested, please answer under each question and resend document. Your responses may be documented in the article, so please only answer what you are prepared to say on the public record.
1) Does your federation support or not support drug testing? Please give reasons either way?
2) Does your federation have a drug policy? If so, what is it, and what are the constraints in drug testing implementation, such as costs and so on?
3) Has your federation been approached by officials from other federations to help unite the sport, or are there major tensions between federations that cannot be overcome?
4) Are there other reasons why lifters prefer to lift in your federation that go beyond differences in regard to suits and wraps?
5) How transparent is your federation, and what opportunities are there for members to voice their concerns and wishes.
Your input would be most appreciated. Any query can be directed to me via email.
Yours sincerely,
I am conducting research on Australian powerlifting and feel it is only fair to ask officials of each federation for possible input.
see attached.
Cheers,
Chris Lewis
Dear Sir/Madam,
I am currently researching an article on how or whether it is possible that an Australian sport with different federations can be subject to drug testing, in this case powerlifting. This article will be published in an Australian public policy journal, not sure which one yet, assuming the material is good enough.
Despite much conflict in the sport, made evident in various documents since 1989, I hope my inquiry to the different federations can obtain some important input from all of you (I have written this letter to all federations). Hopefully my article can provide a chance for each federation to offer its position to correct any real or exaggerated perception of the sport given recent public debate. It is not my intention to take sides, but to answer the question in a balance and fair way, albeit the article may blame past Australian government/s for the situation.
At the very least, I hope that each federation can answer some of the following questions where they are deemed relevant to each federation. If you are interested, please answer under each question and resend document. Your responses may be documented in the article, so please only answer what you are prepared to say on the public record.
1) Does your federation support or not support drug testing? Please give reasons either way?
2) Does your federation have a drug policy? If so, what is it, and what are the constraints in drug testing implementation, such as costs and so on?
3) Has your federation been approached by officials from other federations to help unite the sport, or are there major tensions between federations that cannot be overcome?
4) Are there other reasons why lifters prefer to lift in your federation that go beyond differences in regard to suits and wraps?
5) How transparent is your federation, and what opportunities are there for members to voice their concerns and wishes.
Your input would be most appreciated. Any query can be directed to me via email.
Yours sincerely,
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Spritcha
New member
So- how can you say you never went behind anyones' back when some of the people didn't even know you were doing this and don't know you????
spartacus
Well-known member
of course, the Facebook comments do not need a request.
Come on, you guys made them without anyone asking.
I cannot understand why I would need to ask people permission for what they said on the public record.
Maybe you can explain.
I also do not know them, and also sought further communication from the ones I could trace via email.
Come on, you guys made them without anyone asking.
I cannot understand why I would need to ask people permission for what they said on the public record.
Maybe you can explain.
I also do not know them, and also sought further communication from the ones I could trace via email.
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spartacus
Well-known member
Oni, you are talking through your ass again.
What matters is what journal thinks, not PA members. Not intended to side with any fed, but to offer my analysis.
As for laughter, I would have a very, very, very log way before I catch you Oni. Don't you think?
What matters is what journal thinks, not PA members. Not intended to side with any fed, but to offer my analysis.
As for laughter, I would have a very, very, very log way before I catch you Oni. Don't you think?
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Spritcha
New member
A conversation I have at the gym is public. A comment to a person's post on facebook is public. Can you then quote them? Yes. Should you quote them? Unclear.
The point is you saying you did not go behind anyones' back makes no sense when you resort to this line that anything public can be used without consultation or permission.
Its weird you donh't seem to get this.
The point is you saying you did not go behind anyones' back makes no sense when you resort to this line that anything public can be used without consultation or permission.
Its weird you donh't seem to get this.
Spritcha
New member
Why is that a smart ass comment? I honestly don't understand where you are coming from with this. You say you didnt go behind anyones' back- but you posted comments from facebook conversations without even informing people you were doing it.
What more could you do? How about not quoting them?
What more could you do? How about not quoting them?
spartacus
Well-known member
no, they will be quoted, no need to waste your breath anymore.
What do they have to fear from people making use of their legitimate concerns, concerns they thankfully felt obliged to express?
To go behind someone's back is to do something to people you know; I do not know them. I merely document their concerns.
As for you, Ben, or any other pa member that I personally know, I do take on their concerns.
I think that is pretty reasonable, but I am sure it won't be to you.
What do they have to fear from people making use of their legitimate concerns, concerns they thankfully felt obliged to express?
To go behind someone's back is to do something to people you know; I do not know them. I merely document their concerns.
As for you, Ben, or any other pa member that I personally know, I do take on their concerns.
I think that is pretty reasonable, but I am sure it won't be to you.
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Spritcha
New member
There you go on your moral highhorse again. They will be quoted regardless of what they want. Yes, yes I can see how that is not going behind their backs. Very transparent, highly ethical. You should be working for a major news reporter- something like current affair or today tonight. Go powerlifting, with you promoting it we will get into the olympics for by the end of the year.
spartacus
Well-known member
Have faith big guy.
And yes, I hope article comes across as balanced journalism.
And since you have not read article, I strongly suggest you do; there are a whole lot of reasons why powerlifting remains divided, just as it was in 1990. in regards to public-recognised sport, powerlifting has been a major public policy failure. That is what article is about.
And yes, I hope article comes across as balanced journalism.
And since you have not read article, I strongly suggest you do; there are a whole lot of reasons why powerlifting remains divided, just as it was in 1990. in regards to public-recognised sport, powerlifting has been a major public policy failure. That is what article is about.
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spartacus
Well-known member
no, I have not argued that. It was just a set of questions to get ball rolling with possibility that all feds could offer ideas and thoughts.
No, I accept reality that no one can force an independent organisation to do this or that, not in Australia anyway. In one brief paragraph, I merely ask should there be assistance to those feds who are interested, rather than just one.
Article also embraces different organisations.
And my draft clearly makes no judgment against any fed or anyone who takes drugs. In some ways, I believe that GPC is the best fed going around at moment.
Powerlifting will go on regardless. With people like sticky and Markos, yes, numbers may keep on increasing. Maybe GPC will become bigger than PA in the future.
No, I accept reality that no one can force an independent organisation to do this or that, not in Australia anyway. In one brief paragraph, I merely ask should there be assistance to those feds who are interested, rather than just one.
Article also embraces different organisations.
And my draft clearly makes no judgment against any fed or anyone who takes drugs. In some ways, I believe that GPC is the best fed going around at moment.
Powerlifting will go on regardless. With people like sticky and Markos, yes, numbers may keep on increasing. Maybe GPC will become bigger than PA in the future.
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