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chocchillimango
Well-known member
I didn't do the prep phase when I started it properly a while back. I think that was a good call in my case but prep is probably good for most.
I still do it most days but don't do the fasting right now obviously (ie trying to eat continuously 24/7 am I lol)
wingman
Super M0derator
interesting viv, carbs slow me down pre workout. all kinds too unfortunately. i train much better if i havnt eaten anything at all..the difference for me is unreal. energy is just constant on these sessions.
but needing to train at 7pm most sessions means i can only train fasted on weekends
Tried mct and / or caffiene preworkout?
wingman
Super M0derator
Some ppl are reporting turbo like effects but havent tried it myself
jzpowahz
Well-known member
All studies I have seen on pre workout MCT has seen negative affects. From memory, they were mainly endurance training though.
Also, quite a bit of talk on Lyle McDonald's forum about Keifer's recommendation for a 10day prep phase. Full glycogen depletion (and ketosis) should be completed within 3 days with some high rep training included in there so for those who don't want to go 10days low carb that is an option.
Does prep phase increase fats to replace carbs?
Also, quite a bit of talk on Lyle McDonald's forum about Keifer's recommendation for a 10day prep phase. Full glycogen depletion (and ketosis) should be completed within 3 days with some high rep training included in there so for those who don't want to go 10days low carb that is an option.
Does prep phase increase fats to replace carbs?
chocchillimango
Well-known member
Kiefer gives options for a shorter prep phase that changes up training along with the diet to accelerate prep.
yes fats go up with the prep phase.
the book is an interesting read, Chris. Worth getting.
agree on MCT...haven't seen anything yet to convince of it's merits pre workout (except for people making claims about it anecdotally).
yes fats go up with the prep phase.
the book is an interesting read, Chris. Worth getting.
agree on MCT...haven't seen anything yet to convince of it's merits pre workout (except for people making claims about it anecdotally).
HSVJake
New member
Got it. Ta.
wingman
Super M0derator
I looked it up, half a redrooster chicken has 26g carbs. Kiefer suggests having 30g for an entire off-day, or max 10g at a time.
nazzysmith
kuncesmith
bestweightlifting
New member
Depends if you're trying to put on weight or not; carbs will help to put on weight
jzpowahz
Well-known member
BioLayne Video Log 13 - Bodybuilding and Fitness Industry Extremism - YouTube
from around 13mins is quite relevant to this thread
from around 13mins is quite relevant to this thread
Man I know it's difficult, but at least TRY to read some of the thread before posting an "oh DEERRRRR!!!!" post.
Big Mick
"2014 - Kunce of the year"
BioLayne Video Log 13 - Bodybuilding and Fitness Industry Extremism - YouTube
from around 13mins is quite relevant to this thread
His opinion backed by nothing, he is ignoring all science and research done by others IMO.
His way will work for some people, but not all, I believe different things will work for different people.
For example I used to train with a guy years ago, we used to train the exact same split for about 12 month, 4 times a week religiously, many years ago.
He was eating Maccas for breakfast, KFC or huge take away shop burger for lunch with serving of chips and coke, and whatever he wanted for dinner, ranging from pizza to ice cream, on top he used to have TWO 2000 Calorie weight gainer shakes per day, that's 4000 calories of shakes alone, and beers several nights a week. Nil Cardio.
He was ripped as, I am talking ultra ripped with every muscle visible, abs, the lot.
I was doing the same training eating a lot less carbs and still looking soft till I started cutting carbs, so his diet worked for him, if I followed his diet I would be a 200kg marshmellow
So every person needs to find the diet that works, calorie counting does not work for me, and I hate life when ever I do it.
Eating low carbs again and definition is starting to show and body fat is dropping off. I am at the moment following a low carb diet with a refeed day once a week, eating carbs at night only one night a week after a HEAVY training session, usually after Squat or Dead Lift day.
Will stick with that as it works for ME and I find it easy to do, as I can delay any carb cravings till the refeed day, and organise it around my social life IE going out for dinner with friends or family, parties etc. So I feel I am not missing out.
So I do not believe there is one diet for all people.
Might give the whole CBL a run once I drop another 5 or 6 kg, and see how it works for me, but I am not sure I could actually eat that many carbs every night, I prefer the meals I am having now, as they are very satisfying and tasty
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BioLayne Video Log 13 - Bodybuilding and Fitness Industry Extremism - YouTube
from around 13mins is quite relevant to this thread
Yeah I love watching Layne Nortons stuff. very insightful, but his approach isnt the fast approach which is what i think many people are looking for.
jzpowahz
Well-known member
Matty: yep, the forward thinking way that retains as much LBM as possible. A guy I know is coached by him. He said the other day that "coach upped carbs by 5g and fats by 1g". That is some serious shit but this guy is pretty damn serious BBer.
Big Mick: I agree. Different diets work for different people. I don't know what you mean by "his way". His way is adjustable to the person.
Big Mick: I agree. Different diets work for different people. I don't know what you mean by "his way". His way is adjustable to the person.
nazzysmith
kuncesmith
His opinion backed by nothing, he is ignoring all science and research done by others IMO.
His way will work for some people, but not all, I believe different things will work for different people.
For example I used to train with a guy years ago, we used to train the exact same split for about 12 month, 4 times a week religiously, many years ago.
He was eating Maccas for breakfast, KFC or huge take away shop burger for lunch with serving of chips and coke, and whatever he wanted for dinner, ranging from pizza to ice cream, on top he used to have TWO 2000 Calorie weight gainer shakes per day, that's 4000 calories of shakes alone, and beers several nights a week. Nil Cardio.
He was ripped as, I am talking ultra ripped with every muscle visible, abs, the lot.
I was doing the same training eating a lot less carbs and still looking soft till I started cutting carbs, so his diet worked for him, if I followed his diet I would be a 200kg marshmellow
So every person needs to find the diet that works, calorie counting does not work for me, and I hate life when ever I do it.
Eating low carbs again and definition is starting to show and body fat is dropping off. I am at the moment following a low carb diet with a refeed day once a week, eating carbs at night only one night a week after a HEAVY training session, usually after Squat or Dead Lift day.
Will stick with that as it works for ME and I find it easy to do, as I can delay any carb cravings till the refeed day, and organise it around my social life IE going out for dinner with friends or family, parties etc. So I feel I am not missing out.
So I do not believe there is one diet for all people.
Might give the whole CBL a run once I drop another 5 or 6 kg, and see how it works for me, but I am not sure I could actually eat that many carbs every night, I prefer the meals I am having now, as they are very satisfying and tasty
Confusing post?
Not sure which video you watched?
You basically said the same thing.... Comes down to the individual and what suits?
I see that calorie counting does not work for you.... Nothing wrong with finding a dieting style that leads you into a calorie deficit by default.... Certainly would save the hassles of calorie counting...
Big Mick
"2014 - Kunce of the year"
What a wank
Seriously I don't care how good anyone is its impossible to be this accurate with your diet, 1 gram of fat could be left stuck to your knife after you cut the steak, there is no way in the world that you can get your fat intake to less than plus/minus 1 gram. and your carbs to within 5 grams. The bloke has just proven himself to be a wankAnd then what difference would 1 gram make??? I mean you brush your teeth for an extra 10 seconds and that gram is used up.....dick head is all I can say to anyone that prescribes upping fat intake by 1 fucking gram!!!
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