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By the way just to clear something up [MENTION=2727]Fadi[/MENTION]; an atheist does not believe in the existence of a god and says there are no gods.
I have no belief in a god because there is no evidence so far to show the existence of god but I don't think anyone can say with 100% certainty tbat there is no god.
And no I don't consider faith as proof :)
 
They claim to be

Christianity is a totally peaceful Religion. The ultimate goal is LOVE FOR YOUR FELLOW MAN, to die in service of your fellow Man - like Jesus Christ.

Why do you think all these Charity groups are Christians.
 
i think societies can change reasonably quickly, although those with a longstanding tradition of pluralism will do it much quicker.

it was only a few decades ago that homosexuality was a crime and racism was much more evident. Fears about both persist, but Australia has come a long way.

when you keep dogmatic religion out of way, logic will prevail on most issues. well, that is what I believe.
 
Christianity is a totally peaceful Religion. The ultimate goal is LOVE FOR YOUR FELLOW MAN, to die in service of your fellow Man - like Jesus Christ.

Why do you think all these Charity groups are Christians.
Not sure if you're actually serious
Christianity had it's evil times too, slaughtering non christians, especially muslims during the dark ages.
In fact, you can blame christianity directly for halting our scientific and intellectual advancement for hundreds of years.
Today, christianity is just a charicature of itself syphoning money from those that can least afford it.
 
Not sure if you're actually serious
Christianity had it's evil times too, slaughtering non christians, especially muslims during the dark ages.
In fact, you can blame christianity directly for halting our scientific and intellectual advancement for hundreds of years.
Today, christianity is just a charicature of itself syphoning money from those that can least afford it.

The part I put in Bold is probably true, the rest is bullshit.


Shouldn't beat up on defenseless people whose only aim is to do good and help others, even at their own detriment. Because that is what TRUE Christians do.

Read the Bible Darkoz, and start with the New Testament.
 
I'm well aware of this Fadi and I know you won't agree with this nor would I expect you to since that is part of your belief but having state and religion in one is a dangerous thing, very evident when you look at the state of affairs in the middle east..
The state of affairs in the middle east? Who's governing in the middle east Darkoz?

I would really want to believe this Fadi but actions speak louder than words and this is not what I see happening around the world
The Muslim world has been oppressed and suppressed from the inside out Darkoz. Are you aware of what is happening in "democratic" Egypt for example, the largest Muslim Arab country today? Who is protecting its president and backing him up? Is its president presiding for the people or over the people? Yes you're 100% right there, actions most certainly speak louder than words. Then we move onto a so called Islamic country like Saudi Arabia, again here actions speak much louder than words, and who is the protector of said country?!

My thoughts are 100% with you on this however, that's not the reality we see happening.
And I have to say, if the majority of muslims practice a peaceful religion then why are they not doing anything about the so-called minority who terroize and mass murder in the name of Islam, Seems to me that muslims should bear the responsibility for these people since it's their religion that's been used for evil.[/QUOTE]When the atheists such as yourself Darkoz begin to take full blame for the atrocities that are occurring around the world under the banner of secularism, then I might consider taking the blame for what some nutcases do in the name of Islam. I wouldn't even hold you responsible for some negative actions that your adult son would commit, let alone hold a whole community responsible for the actions of a few.

If you're not satisfied with my reply above (and you believe that actions speak louder than words), I ask you then, what actions would you like me to take against those ISIS members who are committing every atrocity under the sun in the name of Islam? Just few days ago, an ex-Australian soldier Jamie Bright, was killed fighting ISIS in Syria. No, he was not commended by our foreign minister or made into some form hero. We were told (based on his actions), not to fight (physically fight with your own precious life put on the line) ISIS on behalf of Australia a it's against the law.

I resent being held responsible for abhorrent actions being committed by others who hold to the same faith I do. If you don't mind me pointing the finger at you at any given time some atheist kills, rape, or otherwise, then please do your best to not hold me responsible for the actions taken by others, actions I have no control over. You know I have my own self and my girls here to be a dad to. My ultimate responsibility begins here. You are a witness (right now) on a public forum, to the words I am writing about those so called Muslims. Others may go on TV, or whatever, everyone does their bit in the way they can. I can tell you (on this public forum) , that I as a Muslim, ought not to be trusted by other Muslims who have any ill will towards this country, because if I'm able, I would place them under citizen arrest myself before calling the police.

I think sometimes you lose sight of the fact that we both live here (in OZ) with our families, and what harms and affects you negatively, would do the same to me also. So we're in it together (one for this country), and we ought to start seeing it that way, instead of you looking at me as some foreigner based on my belief. That is all.
 
The part I put in Bold is probably true, the rest is bullshit.


Shouldn't beat up on defenseless people whose only aim is to do good and help others, even at their own detriment. Because that is what TRUE Christians do.

Read the Bible Darkoz, and start with the New Testament.
I know the bible quite well thanks which helped me to come to my conclusions, maybe you should read it again if you have at all.
Read about the Dark Ages,, Knights Templar and The Inquisition to know what's bullsit or not.
 
By the way just to clear something up @Fadi; an atheist does not believe in the existence of a god and says there are no gods.
I have no belief in a god because there is no evidence so far to show the existence of god but I don't think anyone can say with 100% certainty tbat there is no god.
And no I don't consider faith as proof :)
This may surprise you brother, but I 100% agree with every single word you wrote above. Thank you.
 
I know the bible quite well thanks which helped me to come to my conclusions, maybe you should read it again if you have at all.
Read about the Dark Ages,, Knights Templar and The Inquisition to know what's bullsit or not.

Christians follow (Jesus) Christ. Pick up the New Testament. Christianity is about Love. A TRUE Christian would die before harming another person, Black, White, Orange and even you.


Like I say, you are beating up on very good people when you say all this crap about TRUE Christians.
 
Christians follow (Jesus) Christ. Pick up the New Testament. Christianity is about Love. A TRUE Christian would die before harming another person, Black, White, Orange and even you.


Like I say, you are beating up on very good people when you say all this crap about TRUE Christians.

Not a really intelligent response Stiffy
I'd love to live in a land of chocolate unicorns and candy rainbows
 
Not a really intelligent response Stiffy
I'd love to live in a land of chocolate unicorns and candy rainbows

read the Bible Darkoz, particularly the New Testament as that is the most important to Christians. It is about Love and all that. Whether you believe in it or not is your choice.

TRUE Christians don't deserve to be subjected to this, and there are still some very good TRUE Christians out there.

If you had read the Bible, particularly the New Testament you would know this stuff.
 
Christians follow (Jesus) Christ. Pick up the New Testament. Christianity is about Love. A TRUE Christian would die before harming another person, Black, White, Orange and even you.


Like I say, you are beating up on very good people when you say all this crap about TRUE Christians.

I've been through this so many times over the years, that I can see both of your point of views and why you believe them to be true. In Islam I don't have (or wouldn't have) a problem with a word Darkoz is saying. In other words, if he said hey Fadi, those ISIS Muslims nut cases are committing X Y & Z, I do not suddenly disown those Muslims simply because of their wrong doings no. If you call yourself a Muslim and believe in the tenants and fundamentals of Islam, yet you go on committing all atrocities under the sun in the name of that religion, you are still a Muslim, just a bad one (to put it mildly). To say such and such a Muslim is a true Muslim, whilst the baddies are not, is to simply take the easy way out.

If you Stiffy call yourself a true Christian, and I happen to know what Christianity stands for, it is not for me (or you) to disown someone from what they believe. We have a group in Islam that specialises in that field (as if they are God Himself), and they share the same hatred amongst Muslims as does ISIS.
 
I've been through this so many times over the years, that I can see both of your point of views and why you believe them to be true. In Islam I don't have (or wouldn't have) a problem with a word Darkoz is saying. In other words, if he said hey Fadi, those ISIS Muslims nut cases are committing X Y & Z, I do not suddenly disown those Muslims simply because of their wrong doings no. If you call yourself a Muslim and believe in the tenants and fundamentals of Islam, yet you go on committing all atrocities under the sun in the name of that religion, you are still a Muslim, just a bad one (to put it mildly). To say such and such a Muslim is a true Muslim, whilst the baddies are not, is to simply take the easy way out.

If you Stiffy call yourself a true Christian, and I happen to know what Christianity stands for, it is not for me (or you) to disown someone from what they believe. We have a group in Islam that specialises in that field (as if they are God Himself), and they share the same hatred amongst Muslims as does ISIS.

Fadi, I am not a Christian as I have said repeatedly. But have seen very good decent people who are/were Christians basically sacrifice their entire lives for the good of others. Those people do not deserve to be beaten up on.

Yes, I use the term TRUE Christians as Paedophiles in the Church and the like are not TRUE Christians. I very much doubt that they believe in Christ otherwise they wouldn't do such things.


I am not a Christian, but I will defend good people when I see injustices occurring.
 
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