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So I bench 130kg touch and go a month or so ago, then spend some time away from 80% plus of my 1rm (but still going hard on 5rms)......... And after doing 112.5x3 I would put my max 1rm at 125kg.

I guess if you spend time after you 'peak' and work up to a 1rm over some weeks, the time after has a quick strength drop off??

I feel like trying west side sometime, I really hate losing strength. Hope it's all neuromuscular or whatever.
 
joe said:
So I bench 130kg touch and go a month or so ago, then spend some time away from 80% plus of my 1rm (but still going hard on 5rms)......... And after doing 112.5x3 I would put my max 1rm at 125kg.

I guess if you spend time after you 'peak' and work up to a 1rm over some weeks, the time after has a quick strength drop off??

I feel like trying west side sometime, I really hate losing strength. Hope it's all neuromuscular or whatever.
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Sometimes you just have shit days.

Don't obsess over it. You are like me too you try for 1RM's all the time. Sometimes with this shit less is more.
 
I think its more to do with just how strong you get when you start to peak, working up with those triples and doubles....

If you don't keep it up the drop off gets ya!

When I get 140 on bench I think I'll try and repeat it every week or so for a little while.
 
joe said:
I think its more to do with just how strong you get when you start to peak, working up with those triples and doubles....

If you don't keep it up the drop off gets ya!

When I get 140 on bench I think I'll try and repeat it every week or so for a little while.
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Thats the wrong thing to do hit your PB then don't try again till you have gone through a full cycle of whatever programme you are running.

I'm guilty of thesame shit I want to hit a PB every session but it is narrow minded hit 140kg and then start thinking new PB long term not maintaining your ability to lift that given weight.

Dig it.
 
Joe you don't need Westside. You're not going to be able to bench your max every single week. You need to plan your training so you peak for a max attempt.
At your level you should still be able to make simple linear progress imo.
 
Coan kept with linear progression all the way to the top
Never maxed in training either

Personally I'd find that boring as shit
 
Bazza, for what it i worth, i respect all feats of strength, although i can and will differentiate between levels for any relevant reason. I think people have a right to know why there would be differences.

Again, i say there should be a distinction between programs aided by drugs and those that are not. How else would learn one way or the other.

To just accept the status quo on weight lifted is an asbolute nonsense, and not in my dna.

Would i rock up to joe blow, who is numero uno, and just accept eveything he says without inquiry all facets of his training. Absolutely not.

When i went to seminars, and asked how much difference drugs or good nutrition made, some Champs did acknowledge the point and elbaorated.

If you look on this site, i posted a thread to clebrate the achievements of Laurie Butler, one of Aust's greatest lifters, yet one who is also honest about his drug use. I am sure that if one asked him whether there are differences between training on drugs or not, and whether a novice should be careful to adjust, he would give a reasonable commentary.
 
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You don't know who is doing what, so don't even worry about it. Trying to get percentage figures on how much steroids give you is a joke.

The steroids argument is just one for people to make excuses why everyone else is stronger than them or training harder than them.

Next we will have Von in here telling us how anyone who has used roids or been in a 10km radius of anyone who used roids should expect to be sued by him and have the Feds knock down their doors.
 
'Trying to get percentage figures on how much steroids give you is a joke'.

Really, says you.

I will do what i like, just as top athletes tell me how much they gain and sites publish such material. Tell them they are a joke.

It is a free world, and i will do and say what i like, at least until i am banned.
 
spartacus said:
'Trying to get percentage figures on how much steroids give you is a joke'.

Really, says you.

I will do what i like, just as top athletes tell me how much they gain and sites publish such material. Tell them they are a joke.

It is a free world, and i will do and say what i like, at least until i am banned.
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Dosages, different training, genetics, experience level are all going to influence what effect roids have and like I said trying to put a percentage increase to it is a bloody joke.
 
whatever.

Then maybe all your advice on other matters is a waste of time, what people eat may also depend on genetics ect.

I mean how silly is that. Study after study tries to quantify improvment of nutrition retained or performance gained by drugs, and you know better. It is all a waste of time.
 
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spartacus said:
whatever.

Then maybe all your advice on other matters is a waste of time, what people eat may also depend on genetics ect.

I mean how silly is that. Study after study tries to quantify improvment of nutrition gained by drugs, and you know better. It is all a waste of time.
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Lol. Of course the way people eat and can train depends on genetics.

It's why some people can live off lollies and chips and never get fat and then another person with the same diet gets fat and dies of heart attack at 40.

Are you seriously saying everyone that has ever used roids gets a standard 15% or what ever it was strength gain. Lol. So many variables its impossible to give a figure like that.

And yes all my advise is probably a waste of time.
 
Bazza20 said:
You don't know who is doing what, so don't even worry about it. Trying to get percentage figures on how much steroids give you is a joke.

The steroids argument is just one for people to make excuses why everyone else is stronger than them or training harder than them.

Next we will have Von in here telling us how anyone who has used roids or been in a 10km radius of anyone who used roids should expect to be sued by him and have the Feds knock down their doors.
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When did I say I would take legal action against anyone who has proximity to illegal performance enhancing drugs? That would be rather diffcult to do.

I recall I mentioned I would take all necessary and available legal avenues to protect myself from mud-slingers who would seek to defame me. I merely stated my strong stance against PED abuse and misuse and what we can do to protect the sport of powerlifting, and as could be expected I was met with hostility and personal attack from certain stakeholders including yourself.

My comments about litigation were also in the context of how an organization and its lifters ought to consider protecting themselves from any outsiders who seek to cause harm to their reputation. A policy shield and testing regime helps.

I also made some fairly accurate predictions about the shit storm that is now sweeping through sport in Australia. That was met with ridicule.

Your response was to hurl insults at me rather than addressing the issue. Now you are concocting statements that were never made. I think you need to read more widely. The weights are not expanding your intellect.
 
I dont know why this was brought up on this thread. I was discussing differences in traning on drugs and off drugs, as Joe inquired.

But, if you read appropriate thread, i offered a range of 10-20%, and stated that the three champion powerlifters all told me around 15% was gained.

If you dont respect that, coming from others or trust me that i am being honest, then go ahead and try and denigrate me. I could not give a fuck.
 
spartacus said:
If you dont respect that, coming from others or trust me that i am being honest, then go ahead and try and denigrate me. I could not give a fuck.
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And, like me, you must be devastated when the intellectual giants on this forum throw all they can muster at you.
 
vonfram88 said:
When did I say I would take legal action against anyone who has proximity to illegal performance enhancing drugs? That would be rather diffcult to do.

I recall I mentioned I would take all necessary and available legal avenues to protect myself from mud-slingers who would seek to defame me. I merely stated my strong stance against PED abuse and misuse and what we can do to protect the sport of powerlifting, and as could be expected I was met with hostility and personal attack from certain stakeholders including yourself.

My comments about litigation were also in the context of how an organization and its lifters ought to consider protecting themselves from any outsiders who seek to cause harm to their reputation. A policy shield and testing regime helps.

I also made some fairly accurate predictions about the shit storm that is now sweeping through sport in Australia. That was met with ridicule.

Your response was to hurl insults at me rather than addressing the issue. Now you are concocting statements that were never made. I think you need to read more widely. The weights are not expanding your intellect.
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I would be very surprised if anyone ever cared enough to defame you.

I am a stakeholder how? I don't powerlift or do roids. Are you accusing me. Lol.

You predicted a shit storm. It started off that way but now its looking more like a big beat up and fuck up by ASADA. They don't seem to have much or any evidence at the moment.
 
I dont think issue of drugs in sport is going to go away. Therefore, all knowedge about training or performing with them is going to be relevant, at least to those of us who are interested.

I think even Sticky will acknowledge that i have never denigrated anyone for drugs, but i hope all reasonable people would respect my right to discuss issues about drugs. There is a good chance i am wrong on many issues, but i will learn from discussion, just like anyone else.

Again, i stick by my point about there may be important differences traning with them or not.

One ACT olympic lifter tried the Bulgarian method, very intense and heavy.
I wonder whther he would have burnt out so quckly if he had off been on drugs.


Since AusBB atracts both users and non-users, we should be free to question and ask, not just kiss ass.
 
LOL
The subject of steroids bring out the best in people.

Steroids can be summed up in two words "nitrogen retention", they speed muscle recovery.
 
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