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[MartialArts] UFC Discussions

candyflip said:
I don't think you're 'missing anything', but I don't agree with you. I agree wholeheartedly with Steve Barry, who writes for MMAConvert.com, when he said overnight:

"...as lame as it is that Jon Jones turned down a fight with a middleweight, it's really the UFC's fault for having to cancel UFC 151, not Jones or Jackson. They've simply spread the talent too thin across too many shows. UFC 151 was super weak under the main event. They've lost main events before at the last minute but at least had some promotable fights to carry on with. Would have been the same here if they weren't already spread so thin..."

Injuries are part of this sport. They *will* happen. The only thing the UFC needs to do is build their second tier card into a more manageable operation, for every PPV without exception.
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So i think you do agree with me, as this is basically what i was trying to say.....maybe i just didnt word it right!!!!!!!

Pretty much the UFC is running too many events and trying to make them all big events (like fuel and FX), I understand in a sport like this injuries are part of it and fights will be cancelled, BUT with 8 weight divisions there should be enough depth to be able to cover a PPV card in the event that 1 guy gets injured, understandably if a few get injured it makes it harder to cover but thats a different story.

And i dont blame Jones for not picking up that fight, as you need time to prepare for a new opponent not a few days, fair enough if it was 3 or 4 weeks, but a week or less come one, he would have been silly to accept the fight, although i think offering Cheal a title fight stepping up in weight class was a VERY BAD call on the UFC's part...
 
No, I don't agree on key points.

1. I don't think the UFC are running too many events. I just think they should run the ones they have, differently.
2. They should ALL be big events, wherever possible. That's how you grow a sport like this.

Instead of constantly and immediately demoting guys who have just lost a title shot, why can't they be like Chael and stick around in the top tier, fighting the up and comers? Just because I lost to Anderson Silva last week, for example, doesn't mean I'm suddenly finished? (Rich Franklin, Forrest Griffin, Vitor Belfort et al.) These guys should be on the next cards, within 3-4 months (given injury recovery time), fighting their way back and taking on Top 10 up and comer guys for serious contender fights. Seems like the UFC lets them go too quick, for mine. And it promotes the up and comers too often, without them having to go through these other top guys.

I do agree with you on Jon Jones' actions though : I think Dana will in time regret what he's been saying in this regard. Chael Sonnen has *nothing* to lose and everything to gain (almost at the end of his career, another major payday for him win or lose, another legend he's faced before he retires) while Jon had *everything* to lose and no gain after a win. It's his career - and he, not Dana, gets to call the shots on his own future.

This was the UFC's fault - not Dan's, not Jon's. If they want to protect their PPVs, they better get their under-card fights to a *much* higher level, and consistently.

People need to get real about Chael Sonnen too. He is a brilliant marketer, a great raconteur, and he wants another payday and yet *another* chance for his career. This is not some philanthropy he is following to the letter - Chael is a greedy son of a bitch and is doing everything he does for CHAEL. As is Jon. And Dan. And Dana too, by the way. There is not one of them who are actually fighting for anybody but themselves, through this whole thing!
 
Seems odd that jackson and jones wanted to turn down sonner but they're happy with belfort.... Both who are going to come in pretty under sized and belfort hasnt really done much / anything of note in the UFC......

Betting lines are
Jones - 900
Belfort + 790

Pretty sure they're the largest gap in odds in......i dont know how long....
 
Fuck I hate Jon Jones (just saying lol).

Apparently Anderson said he would had fought (at LHW), but was a few hours late. Would of loved to see Andy destroy someone again.

As for 152, fucking sucks that theres no BJ. and I'm more excited to see the flyweights final.
 
Jones is a wanker. Totally up himself now.

All this talk about him being the next best thing has gone to his head me thinks
 
Rapey Vibe said:
Seems odd that jackson and jones wanted to turn down sonner but they're happy with belfort.... Both who are going to come in pretty under sized and belfort hasnt really done much / anything of note in the UFC......
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You're missing it again - they refused Sonnen for a fight in 8 days time. They accepted Belfort for a fight on a completely different card, in a month's time on UFC 152.

The UFC have the same issue with this card (152) : take a look at this list and tell me who you promote to headliners if one of these guys gets injured between now and then?

Light Heavyweight Jon Jones (c) vs Vitor Belfort
Flyweight Joseph Benavidez vs Demetrious Johnson
Middleweight Michael Bisping vs Brian Stann
Lightweight TJ Grant vs Evan Dunham
Light Heavyweight Matt Hamill vs Vladimir Matyushenko
Featherweight Cub Swanson vs Charles Oliveira

Preliminary Card (FX)
Light Heavyweight Igor Pokrajac vs Vinny Magalhães
Featherweight Jimy Hettes vs Marcus Brimage
Welterweight Seth Baczynski vs Simeon Thoresen
Welterweight Sean Pierson vs Lance Benoist

Preliminary Card (Facebook)
Bantamweight Mitch Gagnon vs Walel Watson
Welterweight Charlie Brenneman vs Kyle Noke
 
candyflip said:
The UFC have the same issue with this card (152) : take a look at this list and tell me who you promote to headliners if one of these guys gets injured between now and then?

Light Heavyweight Jon Jones (c) vs Vitor Belfort
Flyweight Joseph Benavidez vs Demetrious Johnson
Middleweight Michael Bisping vs Brian Stann
Lightweight TJ Grant vs Evan Dunham
Light Heavyweight Matt Hamill vs Vladimir Matyushenko
Featherweight Cub Swanson vs Charles Oliveira

Preliminary Card (FX)
Light Heavyweight Igor Pokrajac vs Vinny Magalhães
Featherweight Jimy Hettes vs Marcus Brimage
Welterweight Seth Baczynski vs Simeon Thoresen
Welterweight Sean Pierson vs Lance Benoist

Preliminary Card (Facebook)
Bantamweight Mitch Gagnon vs Walel Watson
Welterweight Charlie Brenneman vs Kyle Noke
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There are certainly some weak cards lately. The all heavy weight card (145?) was the best overall card of this year I reckon.

As for 150. Apart from the top 5 fighters, I don't know any besides Jimmy Hettes, Charlie Brenneman, Kyle Noke and Matt Hamil. 3 of which are prelim fighters lol.
 
candyflip said:
You're missing it again - they refused Sonnen for a fight in 8 days time. They accepted Belfort for a fight on a completely different card, in a month's time on UFC 152.

The UFC have the same issue with this card (152) : take a look at this list and tell me who you promote to headliners if one of these guys gets injured between now and then?

Light Heavyweight Jon Jones (c) vs Vitor Belfort
Flyweight Joseph Benavidez vs Demetrious Johnson
Middleweight Michael Bisping vs Brian Stann
Lightweight TJ Grant vs Evan Dunham
Light Heavyweight Matt Hamill vs Vladimir Matyushenko
Featherweight Cub Swanson vs Charles Oliveira

Preliminary Card (FX)
Light Heavyweight Igor Pokrajac vs Vinny Magalhães
Featherweight Jimy Hettes vs Marcus Brimage
Welterweight Seth Baczynski vs Simeon Thoresen
Welterweight Sean Pierson vs Lance Benoist

Preliminary Card (Facebook)
Bantamweight Mitch Gagnon vs Walel Watson
Welterweight Charlie Brenneman vs Kyle Noke
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It wont be a solid ppv selling card but l think there are going to be some goods fights on the card. I bolded the fights l think will be decent. Actually scrap that, RV wouldnt buy the card tbh...
 
BigJim said:
How fast is edgar going to be at featherweight... :eek:
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He should be little quicker but everyone at featherweight is fast as fuck... l think it might be similar to the Mike Swick situation, he was stupidly fast at middleweight and it was a massive advantage then when he dropped to WW hes still fast but its not nearly as big of an advantage.... Could be wrong though.
 
Yeah, I'd tip Aldo to win. Edgar has a chance, he'd need to use his speed and catch Aldo off-guard with a few fast punches, like how he clocked Maynard.
 
Rapey Vibe said:
l hope Aldo does to Frankie what he did to Faber is Sacramento just on a more brutal scale. Dislike frankie....
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^this! lol

can't fucking wait. good match up, but I hope frankie gets ruined lol.... Hope Aldo destroys him for a few rounds then goes for the finish.

I'll be pretty pissed off if Frankie dances his way to a UD win.
 
Upcoming Event - UFC 152 - Jones vs Belfort - Sunday September 23
Main event: Jon Jones vs Vitor Belfort
Joseph Benavidez vs Demitrious Johnson
Michael Bisping vs Brian Stann
Matt Hamill vs Vladimir Matyushenko
Charles Oliveira vs Cub Swanson
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