Very interested in this product, and actually read through all 43pages. Have a few comments/questions:
1.) O.N. should be commended for offering free trials. I understand where Bazza20 is coming from (re: human safety, placebo testing etc.), but he did challenge O.N. to provide free trials, of which O.N. gamely agreed to. I think the belated criticisms about olive oil etc. was rather unfair. So, respect to O.N.
2.) Most importantly, what happened to IceFyre's results? And did Ghost perform a second trial?
It's ironic, as I was actually going to buy the product at page 1, but developed reservations after reading all 43pages and seeing the only 'positive' trial after all the fuss is from TheRightHook, who is a new member that joined in July just as this controversy was brewing. No offence, but some healthy skepticism is required online with the ease of clone/dummy user IDs.
3.) From the discussion, I noticed O.N. suggested the product be stacked with olive oil, ZMA and a whole bunch of other alphabet I don't understand. I have a simple question that is also linked to Ghost's first trial result - if I only take this product, without lifting or stacking with other supplements, albeit still maintaining a healthy lifestyle, can I expect a moderate increase in my testosterone levels?
Secondly, if I do stack with oil, will a healthier alternative like Flaxseed oil work?
Basically, I'd like to increase my testosterone levels, sleep better etc., but am not keen on adding a whole bunch of other ABCXYZ supplements and gulping olive oil. I am however taking ZMA regularly. Also I think the whole point about lifting would indeed skew the actual result/outcome.
Thanks for reading and appreciate any answers, particularly re IceFyre's results. Cheers
1) in terms of olive oil and good cholesterol, it is essential to have good cholesterol levels in order for any testosterone boosting supplement to work. However due to recent scientific studies i feel a combination of EVOO and krill oil is going to be of most benefit here, as krill oil has been shown to positively effect lipids much more than EVOO.
krill oil study effecting LDL HDL and lipids positively:
http://www.coreworldwide.com/nss-folder/studies/Krill%20Study.pdf we sell this instore;
Neptune Krill Oil 500mg x 120 caps
The results of this clinical trial demonstrate that daily doses of 1-3 g krill oil are significantly more effective than 3 g EPA/DHA fish oil in the management of hyperlipidemia. Furthermore, a maintenance dose of 500 mg krill oil is significantly effective for long-term regulation of blood lipids. The unique molecular composition of krill oil, which is rich in phospholipids, omega-3 fatty acids, and diverse antioxidants, surpasses the profile of fish oils and offers a superior approach
toward the reduction of risk for cardiovascular disease.
2) icefyre i have pmed him multiple times with no response, ghostrun no idea i have not heard from him, as for wanting more blood tests and more proof we have several blood results from 2009,2010 and 2012 on our website including many customer testimonials all of which can be linked back to their respective forum post from people who have many posts you can seem them here:
http://wickedsupplements.com/res100-review/ as for RH, i do not know him, I am sure if you requested ADMIN so look into him you can see that clearly he is not me, i run a forum so i know just like the admin on this forum that you can tell where he is located in Australia via his IP address and 100% where ever he lives is going to show a different address to mine. Just because he had a positive result doesn't mean it is me making up the results, we already have plenty of results and bloods on the res100 website which also have bloods to back them.
3) The original statement was talking about a pro bodybuilders blood results of 54nmol/L the lab range was 8-32nmol/L and the stack use was: res100,tococaps,ZMA,d-aspartic acid, fish oil, EVOO and a very healthy diet. This was questioned by many as to how is this even possible, we never got a hardcopy of the blood test to prove actual factual on this result for everyone but however we did have a customer run the exact same stack and score 46nmol/L lab range was 8.3-29nmol/L he provided us with a copy of his bloods and also provided a copy of his LH/FSH which proves he is naturally producing the testosterone in his system and it is injected like steroids, that blood test is here:
http://wickedsupplements.com/ultimate-stack-blood-test-results/ His name and DOB have been blurred out but when originally posted on this forum if you go back through the thread you will see admin stating that it should be blurred out.
As far as needing to stack it with a whole heap of supplements....no absolutely that is not the case, res100 will work on its own and will work very well, the point to the stack is to see just how far you can push it, you see most testosterone boosters on the market only effect estrogen and some effect SHBG, res100 effects estrogen and the feedback on the GABA (b) receptor which is the modulating of how much testosterone is to be released into the system. Adding in the additonal supplements are simply effecting other area's of testosterone creation, as you obviously can increase your available good cholesterol through krill oil and evoo you can effect the transport of this cholesterol with d-aspartic acid, you can increase the potency and absorption of LH with tococaps and you can replace lost essentials minerals with ZMA. This is no way says res100 doesn't work on its own its simply showing you can start to effect other areas of testosterone creation and that it basically isn't all about estrogen reduction.
Blood work is always going to be limited for supplement trials, you see companies like USP labs will come out and say we have done a 25 peer trial placebo controlled study paid for by USP labs and most people believe the study when its all total bullshit i can point you to gencor pacific's trial on 60 males which was for their product "testofen" which is fenugreek seed found in many products, they are the main manufacturer of fenugreek seed which showed an average of 98.1% increase in testosterone levels....i mean seriously what a load of shit...lol here is the PDF this is exactly what companies do to make their products look good, it looks like a legit controlled study when it isn't:
http://www.bodybuildingforums.com.a...stofen-human-trial-testofenhumanstudy2-1-.pdf
We dont claim it will boost your levels by any percentage and the bloods that have been done are all independent, if you also notice my bloods are no where to be found, simply because they shouldn't be used as any indication of the product working or not as i own the company and that would be just as bad as the testofen study and not believed.
on this page you can see results, hard copies and also written:
http://wickedsupplements.com/res100-review/
Take your time read through each review click on the links and see who posted the info etc.
So back to your question about not training and eating well and taking res100 yes you should notice a change in your levels, but the thing is here you must remember we are talking about a natural supplement here naturally increasing your testosterone levels if you do not provide an environment that is healthy you are being counter productive to your goals, eg ghostrun eat shit, stopped training and was sick.....your not injecting testosterone where it works regardless of your health. As said you are trying to increase your health and testosterone levels if you decrease your health well your testosterone levels are going to decrease as well. The same can be said for ghostruns bloods he was sick, eating shit and not training.....but his blood level of testosterone was still in the high normal range.....maybe due to his circumstances the levels should have dropped since we know weight training increases testosterone, we also know the consumption of large meals and high fats and sugars such as 1 pizza per night and 1.25L of pepsi will decrease testosterone, so on the flip side of his bloods we can say hey look it kept it up he did all these negative things which negatively impact testosterone levels yet his levels stayed high.....unknown if that statement is true or not, but we do know the things he did and his illness would normally impact his levels of testosterone also since he did it for 8 days in a row and stopped training for 2 weeks.....just saying....
Also to note i recently did a whole nights study on debunking resveratrol and benzoflavone claims you can see them all here from things like resveratrol increases testosterone and sperm and then found the related scientific pubmed journals for each claim:
http://wickedsupplements.com/debunking-res100-test-booster-complex/
Olive oil is better than flaxseed oil. Flaxseed oil is rancid by time you get it home.
But i agree with you on having to stack it with abcxyz for proper results.
as above you do not need to stack abcxyz in order for it to work....stacking abcxyz simple makes it work better as you are effecting other areas of testosterone creation.
