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Sleep Supplements

only dropped one restavit last night
it took 5-10 minutes longer to fall asleep
but I woke up feeling great this morning
 
kaz said:
Anyone use or have used these?
Thoughts on Valerian for sleep assistance?
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Fusion shut eye is by far the best i have used, the seditol that is in it has been used it was used in a clinical trial of 295 people with mild to moderate sleep difficulties the product was considered relaxing by 86.9%, assisting in a restful sleep by 82.8% and effective in reducing fatigue due to lack of sleep by 82.8%.

see full study here: http://www.nextpharmaceuticals.com/stage/pdfs/Seditol_Open2008.pdf

In addition to the awesome ingredient the full capsule contains the following: more detail here- http://www.onlinenutrition.com.au/products/Fusion-Shut-Eye-(120caps).html

Muscle Sleep™ Complex 367 mg † Seditol® Proprietary blend of patented extract from Magnolia officinalis (Magnolia) (bark) and Ziziphus spinosa (Jujube) (seed) [Patent# 6,582,735 & 6,814,987]

Melatonin 2 mg [N-acetyl-5-methoxytryptamine]
Muscle Growth™ Complex 1,600 mg † L-Arginine 1000mg [2-amino-5-guanidinopentanoic acid]
L-Ornithine 600 mg [2,5-diaminopentanoic acid]
Absorption Initiator 3 mg † Bioperine® Piper nigrum (Black Pepper) (fruit) [Standardized for 95% piperine]
 
There was a big meta study done on benzos, I'll try to find it
Basically, even using it once considerably increased mortality rates over the long term
 
valium is a benzo

not all benzos are hypnotics

some are for anxiety aka xanax, some are muscle relaxers aka valium, and then there are the hypnotics for sleeping such as temazepam, stilnox etc

valium is not a sleeping aid, period
 
Wtf yes it is.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diazepam

Clearly states its used for insomnia and poses hypnotic propertys.

I have been prescribed valium for sleep several times. You are so wrong c_t.

Lets ask thr Dr. [MENTION=10208]aljada[/MENTION]; is diazepam a hypnotic and used for insomnia?

And on a similar note i just took 4mg to help me chill out and get a good sleep.
 
It's a matter of dosage. Lower doses are more likely to act as anxiolytics, while higher doses will act as hypnotics. Diazepam is a fairly weak benzo though, and rarely used as a hypnotic. In a hospital setting, diazepam is usually used to prevent alcohol withdrawals, while temazepam or zolpidem is used for sleep.

Either way, the evidence shows that benzos (whether traditional or z drugs) A. give poorer quality sleep, B. produce dependence for sleep initiation, C. cause an addiction with significant crossover to alcoholism, involving the risk of delirium tremens and death on withdrawal and D. have no place in the clinical treatment of insomnia outside of short courses or specific targeted uses (such as before sporting events for elite athletes).

Best practice treatment of insomnia is nearly always behavioural modification, except in very specific circumstances.

That doesn't mean there aren't GPs who don't prescribe these drugs long term and willy-nilly, but they're the same group of GPs who throw anti-biotics at every patient who comes through the door so that they can get the patients through as quickly as possible.
 
i will accept that apology any time you like Genics

no sleep specialist will EVER prescribe valium for any sleep disorders or disturbances

insomnia is actually more closely related to psychiatry than sleep medicine
 
have you tried reading a book before bed? No TV, no iphone, no ipad etc for the last 2 hours before bed. Reading calms the mind & relaxes the eyes. Also sexy time can help too.
We read to our little one every night before bed & it sends us all to sleep (maybe its just my boring monotone voice?)...
 
C_T said:
i will accept that apology any time you like Genics

no sleep specialist will EVER prescribe valium for any sleep disorders or disturbances

insomnia is actually more closely related to psychiatry than sleep medicine
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Appology for what? He said it does work as a hypnotic you said it doesnt.
 
Yeh ok mate. I might be wrong in regards to the extent its used to treat insomnia but the original argument was that you said valium had no hypnotic propertys, i said it did. Two sources (wiki and the dr) have said it does have hypnotic propertys. So yeh not sure how im due you an appology? Your initial statement was wrong
 
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