I may be painful. But why Starting Strength and 5 x 5 are called bodybuilding is just beyond me. Bodybuilding is concerned with building size - this is the priority. Strength is just a by-product and is a necessary part as one needs to continue getting stronger in moderate rep ranges to see growth.
Sure. Train according to your goals, definitely.
I like the fact you're citing those references, or looking for the science... But from what I've found as a recent beginner myself is it's hard to find the concrete answers. It's very frustrating, in fact. I'm not surprised to see all that careful wording in those sentences you posted.
Practically, I've found, read up on science in your spare time, but the best thing to do is just find a good coach who's made a lot of people strong and do what they say.
And he has an extremely small frame with a lot of muscle on it. What's your point?
with ideal deadlift proportions...
4x his bodyweight!! He has some muscle but no way he looks like a bodybuilder.
I can bet that 75% of big bodybuilders, weighing more than 200 lbs will fail to do the same.
Wow. Just fucking wow.
I'd say something but its all been said and he's still going...
This guy is painful. many 'bodybuilding' routines incorporate both high and low rep sets.
Let's begin again. You're arguing you should train like a bodybuilder to look like one. People have agreed.
People have stated muscle size and strength are related. You have posted a few people with decent strength levels with decent muscle development, and some with poor/average strength and similar muscle development.
I'm not sure why we're still going.
you train for strength?
Of course high and low reps will build strength? But for an individual concerned to gain muscle (hypertrophy), why would you want to do low rep/heavy work? Keep getting stronger in moderate rep range 6-12 and stay in that range?
Why should a beginner always jump on Starting Strength or 5 x 5 if the goal is to build muscle, not maximum stength? And Strength is mostly neural if done in low rep range.
will stop here. But when you say people have agreed on training like a bodybuilder. In your opinion how do bodybuilders train differently?
My opinion isn't an expert opinion by any means but what the hell its a forum.
In my expert opinion bodybuilders use lighter weight and do more reps than powerlifters, and aren't quite as focussed on 3 particular movements. Powerlifters still do a lot of light weight sets and need to build size. Bodybuilders sometimes do low rep sets with heavy weight.
Look at the various routines around for yourself and spot the differences.
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