flyes:Do you do them?

[spartacus]

I think split routines are much easier on the body in terms of recovery, that is my opinion.

 

[Darkoz]

Split routines are less taxing

 

[Stiffy]

Split routines are less taxing

Correct my friend.

The fact more compounds are used in Full Body makes them harder. Then there's the shunting of Blood to different parts of the Body which is in itself a cardio vascular workout.
Our furry friend [MENTION=12395]Grunta[/MENTION] would be well served to switch to Full Body to help overcome his current health issues.

 

[Cum Shot]

To run a full bro split (5 days a week) I'd need gear. Otherwise I'd feel like chit. Compounds give me a high.

PPL split is best IMO. Allows you to get enough volume while being able to adjust the frequency as needed.

Why don't you juice it up in this mofo biatch!!

 

[Stiffy]

Why don't you juice it up in this mofo biatch!!

The thought of needing to be on for life or having impaired natural hormone function worries me. Otherwise I'd be running grams of gear. Mebbe.

 

[Cum Shot]

ok back to reality
to really benefit from a split routine you really need to have good recovery otherwise you’ll just be spinning your wheels, get over trained and start losing muscle.
Unless to go on a course of steroids, but for the average Joe a full body workout is going to fit the bill, but the caveat, like with a split, you gotta workout.

the combo of split routines and steroids has ended many careers.
what most miss is, that you need the required genetics to be a successful pro bodybuilder.

the other point to make is, most of them cut their teeth on full body as in this is where they got their mass.
the split routines just allow them to keep going and to fine tune so to speak.
the irony is it ends careers, for most.

Good recovery yes and yes over training i know about all too well.

I have been known to hit chest, back, shoulders and arms all on the same day which lead me to think if i just added 4 sets of squats to failure on to this workout then i would have hit my entire body. Though at the time i was cooked and saved legs for my next workout. I am once again leaning towards annihilating each muscle and tearing it down as much as possible in order for it to re-grow as big as possible and this has lead me back to splitz more-so. Its a risk as you have mentioned above and i completely understand everything you have said, though thats a risk i am willing to take.

With FBWs I would suggest taking a full 5-6 day break every 4 to 6 weeks depending on a variety of factors. With FBWs that are done 3 sessions pw your body is never having more than 3 days off from hitting every muscle, so there may become a time when the individual needs that extra 5-6 days off to recuperate.

 

[Darkoz]

Having an occasional layoff for a week or so is a good idea, how often depends on the individual and how intense your workouts are.

 

[Timeah]

Full body is just a different approach. Not better. Not worse.

OBVIOUSLY you dont train fucken daily using fullbody. 3x a week is probably all most people need. A few "natty" PL guys train "Full body" almost daily. But thats more like squat and bench 4 or 5 times a week. With deads in there 2 or 3 times also.

I see full body workouts as an efficiency thing. Only got 2 days a week to train?? Be mad not to do full body. 2 compounds and a couple of isolated movements targetting required areas.

An example that comes to mind for someone just want to look ok and improve strength/health:

Squats or front squats. 3-5sets of 8-10reps
Bench or Db bench or incline. As above.
Rows or chins. As above.
Hammies or quads. 3-5sets of 10-15reps
Tris or curls. As Above
Gutz. Do what you gotta do.

Deadlifts or trapbar deadlifts. 3-5sets of 5-8 reps
Shoulder press of some kind. 3-5 sets of 8-10reps
Chins or rows. (I'd alternate them) as above.
Quads or hammies (i'd alternate these too). Same as day 1.
Curls or tris (alternate em!) As above
Gutz. As above

Of course, you need volume to grow. Thats the primary driver. So id start on lower end of the set range and move towards the top end over 3 or 4 cycles.

Id also take this over 8 weeks using the above guides for weeks 1,3,5 and 7. For 2,4,6,8 id use 4-6sets of 4-7 reps for the compounds. (3-5 reps for the deads).

Anyway im rambling, this thread is about flyes.

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[Timeah]

Having an occasional layoff for a week or so is a good idea, how often depends on the individual and how intense your workouts are.

This. 100%.
A layoff, or a light week.

50-75% of average intensity, 50-75% of average volume. Depending on how fatigued of course.

But a couple times per year, a complete week away from lifting is also Great!

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[Cum Shot]

About time some kunce made sense re the split vs full routines and what squat racks were really made for.

I agree totally, I just physically have not seen any big kunce doing full body nor any of them sock deadlifting kunce with massive muscle mass. Most kunce on here reckon it’s the only way to go, I guess it works for them, but I have stuck with splits for many many years.

Depends on the persons genetics as well. Some people i think are better suited to different training routines. I was always taught that to do split routines were the way to go. I saw a lot of athletes doing FBWs and woman and older men. Also people training for marathons etc. FBWs for me were never based around sized like you see with a bber. Goosey keeps saying that bbers get the most growth from FBWs but from what i see to this day bbers are still doing splitz and their fucken massive.

I want to be able to do bicep curls at home so in order for this i need a squat rack don't i so i'll get a squat rack for biceps. So then what apparatus do i buy to train legs with? I heard you can train legs with a dumbell. You duck tape the dumbell to your legs then just walk around like that all day.

 

[Cum Shot]

what do you mean by over train? They’d get a week rest. In my mind, training a muscle 3-4 times a week would be more of a chance to over train it. No?

This is very true and injury can still happen with FBWs so their not completely in the clear in terms of 100% safety.

 

[Cum Shot]

With a split there is always cross over as in muscle groups don’t have time to recover and become overworked

This is also true, and if dealt with properly one can achieve even higher muscle power and strength due to adapting to these harsh circumstances. No offense Goosey, but at your age you may not be recovering quite as quick as a younger person. So FBWs may suit you better, same with Darko cause he's not exactly a spring chicken. He looks pretty good though, i'll give him that! He's not big but his BF% is low which is always good. Wouldn't surprise me if FBWs are better at keeping BF% low.

 

[Grunta]

I’ve always seen it this way and these are just the words I use, so may not make sense to everyone.
FBW (once again in my view only) are more of healthy all round option, Splits are more of a destructive option, riskier and dont include CV benefits, just go hard and solely focus on size.
Just the way I see it.

And I think [MENTION=12409]Stiffy[/MENTION] ; is 100% correct, in my current health state, I agree I’d be better off doing them until I’m fit again.

 

[Goosey]

This is also true, and if dealt with properly one can achieve even higher muscle power and strength due to adapting to these harsh circumstances. No offense Goosey, but at your age you may not be recovering quite as quick as a younger person. So FBWs may suit you better, same with Darko cause he's not exactly a spring chicken. He looks pretty good though, i'll give him that! He's not big but his BF% is low which is always good. Wouldn't surprise me if FBWs are better at keeping BF% low.

No offense taken.
But it’s true the older you get more spent recovering between workouts is critical.

The type of workout split vs full body is moot.

i stand by my comments stating that most build a strong foundation on full body in fact I would go as far to say that all bodybuilding professionals had.

It’s the first few years where gains are made at an astonishing rate up 400%.
after then it slows down very very rapidly.

Enter drugs and splits and injuries three go hand in hand.

 

[bozodos]

Farrrk, we agree on one thing.

stopped doing dips as I got too fat again. I feel a slight twinge of amusement when I see people doing cable flyes then rubbing their obviously sore shoulders and grimacing. really makes one think.

 

[Cum Shot]

I think split routines are much easier on the body in terms of recovery, that is my opinion.

lol thats exactly the opposite of what Goosey says.

 

[Cum Shot]

The thought of needing to be on for life or having impaired natural hormone function worries me. Otherwise I'd be running grams of gear. Mebbe.

You used to be on the gear though right........if your really worried then run hcg throughout the cycle.

 

[Stiffy]

You used to be on the gear though right........if your really worried then run hcg throughout the cycle.

No, never run Gear. Just fucked around with Asin as a minor Test booster.

 

[Cum Shot]

I’ve always seen it this way and these are just the words I use, so may not make sense to everyone.
FBW (once again in my view only) are more of healthy all round option, Splits are more of a destructive option, riskier and dont include CV benefits, just go hard and solely focus on size.
Just the way I see it.

And I think @Stiffy ; is 100% correct, in my current health state, I agree I’d be better off doing them until I’m fit again.

Yep that sums it up nicely, although Goosey has made me ponder about FBWs being used by bbers. This is going to haunt me now, i'll end up researching further into this just to ease my curiousity

 

[Cum Shot]

stopped doing dips as I got too fat again. I feel a slight twinge of amusement when I see people doing cable flyes then rubbing their obviously sore shoulders and grimacing. really makes one think.

So you stopped doing dips because you got too fat, somethings not right here..........