Keep your diet clean. The problem I have seen a lot is when people are on cycle they tend to over eat. They end up looking like a blimp.
Any reason why you wouldn't run 500mg pw? Which is normally standard for a first cycle.
you said
400mg of test straight up will work well for a few weeks then fail to produce further results
This is bs. benefit does not peak in 2 weeks.
Well there are so many supporting supplements is hard to tell how they will all react when you throw them all in together. Deca is pretty mild, moreso than test so you should be fine with it. 400mg of test doesnt get the results people want which is why so many people run this and make hardly any progress. Just take a look at the majority of logs and youll see peoples gains will slow around the 6 week mark from estrogens and cortisols getting kicked up.
Spartacus, this guy isnt a pro, who gives a fuck what a pros cycle looks like
Assuming it's estrogen and cortisol halting gains, would it be fair to assume that controlling these would prevent this stall from occurring?
Achilles, do you even compete, why do you bother with drugs?
In my former training days with bb's, including a few sessions with some of Aust's best, there was a lot of talk abut the latest great ideas about drugs from Dan duchaine. he died at age 48, as did one of the top Aust bodybuilders I knew reasonably well.
Dan Duchaine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Achilles, don't do drugs, but if you do keep it basic. Listen to actual bodybuilders, preferably ones that have been around. Oni is not much bigger than a runt, despite all the dianabol and drugs he took when a cyclist.
for example, tom platz, a former no. 2 bodybuilder in world, whose left thigh looks heavier than oni, said
'At one time, I was using about 130mg a day. That was way too much for me. I've had my greatest success on less than 30 mg per day'.
Tom Platz Bodybuilder Interview
John Kuc, one of the greatest powerlifters of all time, and one of the first to admit he took steroids, never took more than 20mg of dianabol a day (his claim). But Oni (guru puny) knows best, you need to take more.
How do you know this Alex? is this something you read?
alex, why does he need to take so much that he needs to deal with high estrogen levels?
Isn't this guy a novice on his first cycle?
ok mick, here is the advice, don't take drugs period.
I don't care. I was merely responding to Oni's supposed mastery of how to take drugs in terms of what he recommends to a novice.
In any case, AUSBB gives the right for people to talk about drugs, it should also give the right for people to argue against them.
Hasn't this site got a responsibility to be moderate in its advice, especially to beginners.
alex, it is true I don't read that much on drug cheating these days. Lost interest some years back.
But fact is that 1970s doses still get you a long way. If some mindless bb's want to abuse their bodies for a trophy, with a few making a decent level of money, then that is their choice.
Again, I say what is wrong with a novice starting with a basic cycle.
My own advice would be to take no drugs, but if so, start off moderately.
Yep, estrogen is easy to control but cortisol requires more harsh drugs.
The anti cortisol drugs (that acutally work) work by stopping the conversion of cholesterol to hormones. So that's ALL hormones. Estrogens, cortisols, testosterone etc. This means that the only hormones you have are the ones you shove in your body so you will need to start taking cortisol on this drug and estrogen is good for gains... just not too much. So it's not really recommended unless you're a top level athlete. You may as well just swap drugs in and out, it's not as if it costs any more and limits the number of drugs that you're taking
Alex, I could not care less about people who contact you about shit I write. They can speak for themselves; why would they go through you (a puny guru).
Like I said, who the fuck are you to give advice on drugs? My opinion is you don't know what you are talking about, and a novice should not listen to you, never mind PEDs.
Fact is that smaller doses achieve most of the gains, and any sensible person should adhere to that principle.
I don't care. I was merely responding to Oni's supposed mastery of how to take drugs in terms of what he recommends to a novice.
In any case, AUSBB gives the right for people to talk about drugs, it should also give the right for people to argue against them.
Hasn't this site got a responsibility to be moderate in its advice, especially to beginners.
alex, it is true I don't read that much on drug cheating these days. Lost interest some years back.
But fact is that 1970s doses still get you a long way. If some mindless bb's want to abuse their bodies for a trophy, with a few making a decent level of money, then that is their choice.
Again, I say what is wrong with a novice starting with a basic cycle.
My own advice would be to take no drugs, but if so, start off moderately.
Ah ok, I didn't realise that cortisol suppression drugs affected all hormones. I definitely don't want to go the route of adding estrogen, cortisol etc.
For my first cycle, I want to take things slow, so I'll stick with the Test E. I like the idea of switching compounds a couple of cycles down the road though if it's an effective way of overcoming a stall induced by cortisol. Why would this switch work, though? What is it that causes this release of cortisol, and why is it that switching circumvents this? Excess estrogen, I understand, is as a result of the HPTA and aromatase enzymes doing their thing.
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