Think of it like this. Early research leads to theories and with further research those theories have to be disregarded and the real picture comes out. It is not like the research is totally debunking having aminos available it is just that theories went a little too far as they do with limited research.
Also the net and your friends tend to enlarge theories a little bit. I have done it believing other scientists too but when evidence stares you in the face you have to take notice.
So have a pre workout shake and you will be fine. Have a meal after you workout when ever. I personally have a huge meal post workout as that is the time I need and have to eat due to work etc.
Thank you DKD.I've been meaning to re-visit Fadi's lose fat/keep muscle thread...whatever it's called....he talks about HIIT and doing a 10 minute workout from memory. I read it several weeks back....i think it's an excellent read for those interested in this topic.
Pistach that is how science works. Theories improve as better research and science becomes available. This is how our knowledge advances, otherwise we would be still back in the dark ages thinking the world was flat.
Also not to mention the fitness industry loves to take things to extremes. Eg, no fat diets, no carb diets, eating 10 meals a day, ect.
Thank you DKD.
I think you're talking about this (the 10 minutes program):Let’s Lose Some Fat Mass…
The other program, this one:Lose Fat / Maintain Muscle is geared to setting some soild metabolic/mitochondria foundation for the new muscle growth that is to come.
Take care,
Fadi.
Things evolve as we learn, as bazza said we know the earth is not flat now and have moved on from there.
You may also have looked at all these studies (I mean this with no offense intended) but do you think you could understand the complexities of breaking down the information of a physiology based study without training in it. Could you spot the flaws, assumptions, manipulations of data etc that goes on to purport the scientists believed theory (they are still human). This breaking down of a study is what is really needed to get full benefit from its findings. Trust me it is hard and tedious and took me a long time to get it to where i am now and I still don't think I am good at it. Then there are people who will take bits to show their way of thinking is right without using the whole information from the study. There are also mistakes we make in thinking that the findings as are important as we.want them to be.
Best way to sort fact from fiction is to try it on yourself.
Think of it like this. Early research leads to theories and with further research those theories have to be disregarded and the real picture comes out. It is not like the research is totally debunking having aminos available it is just that theories went a little too far as they do with limited research.
Also the net and your friends tend to enlarge theories a little bit. I have done it believing other scientists too but when evidence stares you in the face you have to take notice.
So have a pre workout shake and you will be fine. Have a meal after you workout when ever. I personally have a huge meal post workout as that is the time I need and have to eat due to work etc.
Sorry about that, I was simply addressing a specific point relating to what I've written.I know, i am still always somewhat hesitant to jump on the latest bandwagon tho....
I'm curious Fadi that you responded to that, but didn't address any of the topic related to PWO nutrition?
I know you are (were?) a huge fan of the 3-4:1 carb-protein ratio. Have you been converted, or just didn't want to argue your point?
You haven't read any of my posts have you?
Read the links I posted in my first response, it explains it all.
The most important part of nutrient timing is consuming your DAILY nutrient requirements. How and when you have your DAILY nutrient requirements is irrelevant to body composition or energy balance.
Think of it like this, what would HAVE the biggest effect on body composition, if you a) consumed a PWO shake then didn't eat what you should have for the day or b) didn't have a PWO shake yet consumed what you needed for the day?
If you want to do it, all good. But as I've explained it is unnecessary
FYI, unless you have not been eating for 3 full days, you ain't any place near catabolic town
PS, I trained FASTED and don't eat or consume anything post workout until 5 hours after I've finished training............Gaining strength, building muscle etc etc. Our bodys are much smarter than we think! It will super-compensate without us telling it too
1 - Yes it is the total calories and macronutrient make that determines body composition.I have a question for you, according to your knowledge/research.
1- Ok, so you say that the amount of calories per meal or meal timing etc is irrelevant, it is only the total macros for the day correct?
2 - In that case, why is the cutoff point a day? ie Couldn't you eat less calories one day, more on another, so long as overall you have the same amount? Or do you subscribe to carb cycling, high/low calorie days etc.
3 - It seems that there is a cutofff somewhere, ie, at SOME point, the amount of calories/macros within a certain time frame IS important. Not per meal, according to you and others, but per day. But why per day, not say per week?
4 - Do you get what I am trying to say?
No problem at all mateOk, thanks for clarifying all that MB.
I will continue to have a sizeable meal after the gym, as I feel I owe it to myself to have a decent feed after destroying myself at the gym.
But I won't bother with post workout shakes anymore then. Should help to drop the calories too.
I will continue to have the BCAAs during my workout, more so just to get some BCAAs in me, especially as I won't be having much protein powder anymore.
So I take it you feel Calcium Caseinate before bed (or at any time really) is useless then?
For the people on this forum that know a lot more about cardio than I do, I have a few questions for you.... I posted a bit of this in my log, but not sure how many people read it, so thought I'd put it here as well.
1) I am thinking of doing about 20 minutes of HIIT cardio on the treadmill at my gym. What would be a good structure for this type of training?
1min low intensity, 45 seconds high? Bearing in mind that the treadmill takes 5-10 seconds to speed up or slow down.
2) Is it ok to do cardio before or after a workout? If so, which one is better?
The way my workouts are structured, I can manage to come in on ONE separate day to do designated cardio, but if I want to do TWO sessions, it'll have to be on a gym day.
Walking is something we should all do everyday. It's not Cardio. It's just a natural function we should all do everyday.
How much?
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