More than 30,000 Americans die from gun violence every year...

[bozodos]

That would be time-series analysis that you speak of.

There aren't a lot of empirical arguments available for the anti-gun movement to rely upon (well none that aren't based on data sets from an alternate universe) so the debate fairly rapidly deteriorates into an emotive, insult-trading "think about the children/dolphins/baby seals" involving whiny little twerps who just cant keep their noses out of other people's lawful activities.

Pretty much. I can argue the case ad nauseum, yet people like [MENTION=12409]Sir El Stiffy[/MENTION]; will result to strawmans, appeals to emotion and every other logical fallacy in the book because they are so utterly convinced that they are on the moral high ground about the matter.

BTW Neither Adam Lanza nor his mother were NRA members. You do realise that constantly posting pictures of those people encourages copycats too right?

On the subject of Chicago... http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...ers-shot-cell-phone-store-20160113-story.html

 

[Stiffy]

 

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[Stiffy]

 

[Repacked]

Pretty much. I can argue the case ad nauseum, yet people like @Sir El Stiffy; will result to strawmans, appeals to emotion and every other logical fallacy in the book because they are so utterly convinced that they are on the moral high ground about the matter.

BTW Neither Adam Lanza nor his mother were NRA members. You do realise that constantly posting pictures of those people encourages copycats too right?

On the subject of Chicago... http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...ers-shot-cell-phone-store-20160113-story.html

In this instance yes you can say that concealed carry stopped a robbery. Whether it avoided or increased the amount of bodily damage done will never be known. The problem is that increasing the number of arms to guard against errant use of arms will end up in chronic escalation, will probably only provide a mild deterrent to criminals, will guarantee that criminals will wear armour and carry bigger guns which are all readily available, and in all likelihood will increase the likelihood of armed robbers shooting first simply to 'protect' themselves and lives will go on being lost. Where does the line get drawn. Surely de-escalation is a preferable route?

What if the result here had been two dead would -be robbers. Would the CC still be a good thing? Does someone deserve to be executed for robbery? Does the civilian with the CC want to have that on their conscience? All worth considering.

In b4 'well if you want to try and rob me you deserve to get killed'.

 

[vonfram88]

 

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[Big Mick]

In this instance yes you can say that concealed carry stopped a robbery. Whether it avoided or increased the amount of bodily damage done will never be known. The problem is that increasing the number of arms to guard against errant use of arms will end up in chronic escalation, will probably only provide a mild deterrent to criminals, will guarantee that criminals will wear armour and carry bigger guns which are all readily available, and in all likelihood will increase the likelihood of armed robbers shooting first simply to 'protect' themselves and lives will go on being lost. Where does the line get drawn. Surely de-escalation is a preferable route?

What if the result here had been two dead would -be robbers. Would the CC still be a good thing? Does someone deserve to be executed for robbery? Does the civilian with the CC want to have that on their conscience? All worth considering.

In b4 'well if you want to try and rob me you deserve to get killed'.

A lot of assumptions here.

If there was two dead robbers, what negatives would we have?? They were killed in the act of committing a crime, by the time crims escalate to robbery, they have been braking into houses for years, stolen countless cars etc etc, they are not the victims in this, they are parasites on society who think they can do as they like, they take liberties away from law abiding people, they arm them selves with deadly force and go out and take your stuff.

They think they are the lions and we are the sheep only because they illegally arm themselves, in the hope that you will just be a sheep.

Seriously if you care if these grubs/parasites/cowards live or die, you have a problem, as they do not have the slightest regard for you, your family or society in general.

 

[Shrek]

, they have been braking into houses for years, .

breaking not braking.

Remember fad not fade. ?

 

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breaking not braking.

No...I think he meant

That's an interesting perspective Mick. Please refer to my comment below -

In b4 'well if you want to try and rob me you deserve to get killed'.

 

[Big Mick]

That's an interesting perspective Mick. Please refer to my comment below -

No one deserves to be killed, and no one said that anyone deserves to die, or should be executed as you call it, but if you part take in high risk activity chances are you may be killed in the process, if these activities are illegal or impacting negatively on other people then these are the chances you take when you rob people instead of working for a living.

 

[Repacked]

No one deserves to be killed, and no one said that anyone deserves to die, or should be executed as you call it, but if you part take in high risk activity chances are you may be killed in the process, if these activities are illegal or impacting negatively on other people then these are the chances you take when you rob people instead of working for a living.

I don't disagree with that.

 

[Johnnie Walker]

I would have no reason to be anti-gun because its a lawful activity that poses no threat to me and in Australia there are limited empirically based arguments that would sway a rational person against firearms ownership freedom.

Yes, Genics, shooting makes my dick move and so do many other lawful things. Your infected little nipple dick seems to find delight in degrading women and drinking yourself to death.

But the thought of antagonising you and knowing how powerless and incapable you are of making any meaningful difference to my freedom as a lawful firearms owner make my willy stand up and touch my sternum.

drinking myself to death? lol, where do you get this BS, same place you get your pro-gun rhetoric?

I think i have made one post on this forum re drinking. I have 1-2 drinks before bed, and not everyday. Just finished a bottle of rum which lasted 3 weeks. So yes, i'm sure death is imminent.

 

[Fadi]

The problem is that increasing the number of arms to guard against errant use of arms will end up in chronic escalation, will probably only provide a mild deterrent to criminals, will guarantee that criminals will wear armour and carry bigger guns which are all readily available, and in all likelihood will increase the likelihood of armed robbers shooting first simply to 'protect' themselves and lives will go on being lost. Where does the line get drawn. Surely de-escalation is a preferable route?

I'm impressed with this line of thinking. I'd like to see a reply from the point of view of a pro gun owner/concealed gun permit supporter please. How can Repacked points above be convincingly refuted is what I'm asking? Thank you.

 

[bozodos]

In this instance yes you can say that concealed carry stopped a robbery. Whether it avoided or increased the amount of bodily damage done will never be known. The problem is that increasing the number of arms to guard against errant use of arms will end up in chronic escalation, will probably only provide a mild deterrent to criminals, will guarantee that criminals will wear armour and carry bigger guns which are all readily available, and in all likelihood will increase the likelihood of armed robbers shooting first simply to 'protect' themselves and lives will go on being lost. Where does the line get drawn. Surely de-escalation is a preferable route?

What if the result here had been two dead would -be robbers. Would the CC still be a good thing? Does someone deserve to be executed for robbery? Does the civilian with the CC want to have that on their conscience? All worth considering.

In b4 'well if you want to try and rob me you deserve to get killed'.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. In a choice between potentially being shot and not being shot because I have the means to defend myself, I know which option I'd take. Chances are the type of criminal who doesn't think about the potential for a concealed carrier being on premises also does not give too much thought to wearing body armour or carry 'big guns'.

It would be a big responsibility to carry - you don't carry a firearm for self defence if you aren't prepared to use it. I've got no sympathy for criminals who are shot when they are in the process of committing a crime, and I place the wellbeing of me and mine above theirs accordingly.

In the US especially, I don't think it results in chronic escalation - these criminals tend to carry weapons no matter what, and usually have little to no regard for anyone or anything.

 

[Johnnie Walker]

where exactly is this fairy land where having a gun stops you being shot? infact your more likely to be shot with one than without.

 

[Stiffy]

I just can't fathom why Bozo wants to be allowed to carry a side arm here in Australia. What kind of a coward needs to carry a side arm at all times here in Australia, especially a coward who lives in rural Victoria.

Try living in the City, even there you don't need a side arm. Learn to fight or run dickhead, if you're that afraid.

 

[Johnnie Walker]

I just can't fathom why Bozo wants to be allowed to carry a side arm here in Australia. What kind of a coward needs to carry a side arm at all times here in Australia, especially a coward who lives in rural Victoria.

Try living in the City, even there you don't need a side arm. Learn to fight or run dickhead, if you're that afraid.

i know, its pretty funny.