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What are healthy T-levels? (chart)

spartacus said:
Let us keep the debate real. GPs will should only recommend supplementation is there are obvious signs. They should not cater to any healthy looking athlete that is worried about their bench press or muscle size.
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What about people who just want decent levels of testosterone for reasons other than wanting to bench press a lot? - who test under 20nmol. I would think anyone under 20nmol who lifts weights like a maniac has some sort of issue.

And it's like height but it's also not. If short people could take a pill to get taller they would. There is a solution to those wanting to raise their T. Again, I'm not talking about sports performance here - not concerned with fairness, the "playing field", running faster than another guy, etc.
 
As I indicated, people with abnormal male characteristics from low test levels should be addressed.
There are various symptoms that are taken into account such as low sex drive, lack of masculine features and so on.

GPs have to have guidelines and being around 20 nmol is well within normal range; higher than mine.
 
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jj80 said:
What about people who just want decent levels of testosterone for reasons other than wanting to bench press a lot? - who test under 20nmol. I would think anyone under 20nmol who lifts weights like a maniac has some sort of issue.

And it's like height but it's also not. If short people could take a pill to get taller they would. There is a solution to those wanting to raise their T. Again, I'm not talking about sports performance here - not concerned with fairness, the "playing field", running faster than another guy, etc.
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What reasons? Honestly... If you weren't lifting weights, would you have had your t levels tested at all? What aspect of your life do you think is going to change by moving higher within the normal range?

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I think these days doctors would see this all the time as well. Young bloke lifting weights, results don't come within 2 weeks, think/hope they have low T. Gets blood tests in the hope of getting some legal gear. Then claims docs are stupid for not prescribing him TRT because he is not at the upper limit of normal.
 
Excellent presentation [MENTION=6618]spartacus[/MENTION]; !

I do infact agree with you all points there.
I still progress. Every program. Im not 20 so cant expect t-levels of 20 y.o.
18nmol @ 30yo. Im ok with that. The "lower" level could have a direct relationship with my 20% bf in any case.

I have no symptoms. Im fine. :p

It does always concern me that gp's give little regard to my health though. Even when I request my yearly blood test I am met with disinterest or a bunch of questions as to why. Ive got a crazy medical history...I need to check on stuff regularly to catch any issues early.

Tim.
 
WarbyD said:
What reasons? Honestly... If you weren't lifting weights, would you have had your t levels tested at all? What aspect of your life do you think is going to change by moving higher within the normal range?

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Yeah I had them tested when I was 24 - I was not lifting at all - and the results were similar, around 15nmol I think. Normal range etc. I did it cause I felt tired a lot, noticed my sex drive drop, and was on meds as a kid that have supposedly have an affect on hormones.

I am not the biggest guy but I'm happy with my 'build' and how I look - also I'm not really concerned about bench pressing a whole lot more - I'd be trying T to see how it affected my life / motivation in general. Nothing to do with sports performance. On the flipside, since growing older I'm more 'balanced' than I was in my early teens - maybe not having so much aggression/drive/testosterone is a blessing in disguise. Allows for more perspective.
 
The healthy range on mine was 11.5 - 32.0

Low T levels can also lead to anxiety; which is why I got tested.

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Tim,

nothing wrong with scrutinising GP performance or knowledge, some are not that good and can give completely wrong diagnosis.

If you are not sure about something, always get a second opinion, albeit we can all get it wrong at times.

My best mate's 12 year old only weighs 26kg, but specialist ruled out HGH because he was just in normal range.

He also was born without pectoral development on one side.

For those near the bottom range of defined normal, the arguments being made here may indeed have much greater relevance and reason to dispute.

believe me, if I had signs of low testosterone levels, beyond what my blood says, say no sex drive, sagging male breasts and so on, I would be the first at the door.

But, all my signs are still reasonably good at 52, albeit trivial problems like my skin definitely showing signs of ageing (dryness).
 
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The reason I researched and questioned my 10 nmol/L was that 10 months earlier in my previous test I was 18 nmol/L . Now I know blood levels do change even throughout the course of the day but to me that was a major drop in less than a year and I wanted to know the reason why.
 
Postie said:
The reason I researched and questioned my 10 nmol/L was that 10 months earlier in my previous test I was 18 nmol/L . Now I know blood levels do change even throughout the course of the day but to me that was a major drop in less than a year and I wanted to know the reason why.
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I think I read test levels can vary by 50% depending on time of day.
 
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Most people just want a cop out and a "quick fix" as to why they are weak little girls.

"Oh my test is low, that must be why i look like shit, lift like shit, and generally suck."
 
You want your testosterone as high as possible
There is no "optimal" level
Why would you see a doctor about low test? What is the doctor supposed to do about it? If you're looking for justification to take testosterone you're not going to get it from me

I've already been over increasing your testosterone a million times. Just train your ass off, eat your ass off, increase your dopamine and just generally be awesome
 
Just get it tested at the same time and day.
Test will rise at the weekends, you're relaxing after a hard days work. I think Monday morning before work would be the best time if you're simply looking for the highest reading. But an average would be better. Kinda impractical though
 
I like my feminine body that comes with having low testosterone. There are more different types of clothes I can wear.
 
Recommended "normal" was 11-25nmol on all of my tests.

I had to get 3 tests done over 6 months before my endo believed that I actually had an issue and wasn't just coming off the juice.

Now on TRT, with 250mg primo every 2 weeks and I am at 13-16nmol by the end of those 2 weeks.

And yes, I was already lifting lots of weight and eating plenty when I first got diagnosed. Sometimes things just stop working (properly) it seems.
 
what did 250mg every 2 weeks bump you up to?
I have a transgender friend, female to male and is at ~25 eleven days post injection
 
friend at gym, and former bb who says he benched 200kg years ago, now making a comeback at age of 47 after years of doing nothing, got a test reading of 25 nmol.
 
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