Testosterone 10.8

[Christian]

FUCK just rang the specialist wont be able to see me until June Fuck south Australia no fucking doctors anywhere!

Who is the specalist kindred? IS it an endocronologist?

SA Referrals - ACNEM

Look through there for someone who specialises in hormones in your area..

Also type bioidentical testosterone and your location into google and look for someone.

Dr Peter Dobie

Im trying to look for you..

 

[Christian]

I have always thought I may have a problem with cortisol levels due to stress - never gone to the doctor to get anything checked out tho.

No point.. Dr's will give you a >10am test...

It will show your levels at that time but cortisol fluctuates throughout the whole day. You need at least 4 times test daily saliva to determin adrenal function.

PathLabIM.com.au - PathLab Integrative Medicine


Adrenocortex stres profile $90.00

I reccomend you do it also kindred.

 

[Rugby88]

Ive always thought that the % of guys who have low test levels or problems with cortisol levels etc would be fairly high but most ppl just dont get it checked because they just think its normal and if they dont train then normally you wont look into things like this...do u think this would be correct noobs?

 

[Bazza20]

Ive always thought that the % of guys who have low test levels or problems with cortisol levels etc would be fairly high but most ppl just dont get it checked because they just think its normal and if they dont train then normally you wont look into things like this...do u think this would be correct noobs?

If someone has low test levels could it be that they just natually have a lower level of test. Just like some people are tall and some are short.

 

[Christian]

I believe we hide alot of problems with diet.. I.e cortisol problems will lead to blood sugar drops and anxiety.. People then reach for sugar to boost blood sugar back up to normal and to avoid anxiety feelings... We see this pattern with alot of problems and it is all related to adrenals.

We burn our selves out.. Computers lights all the time no relaxation constant stress. No one takes time out. Yes some people can handle this and those people have superior hormone profiles to the rest of us. The rest of us simply burn out and cant take it.

I would never of thought to investigate hormones as a possible cause of my anxiety or problems. It was only when i could not seem to loose abdominal fat or gain muscle mass that i thought about testing it..

I begged and pleaded with numerous dr's to test. I was told I was young i had no problems not to worry and was prescribed valium to "relax" as i over thought things.

I knew i had a problem, finally i got it done.. had testosterone tested it was 7.3 below the range. (8.4-32) surley this wasnt normal for a 21 year old? The dr said it was fine..

Since then i have spent the last 3 years researching these problems and learning from patients antiaging dr's in the states and the best in the field. Basically optimal is not a word in the GPs vocabulary as long as you ar enot about to die today or tomorrow no one gives a shit.

I recently had a friend go get some test after i believed he had problems dr assured him he was fine.. He went to 4-5 dr's clinics begging for tests. Finally he found one who did them for him.. Turns out he is possible hypothyroid/hashimotos as well as/or hypoadrenal...

Fine?

I see this all the time with people... Yep dr said im fine when clearly there are problems, its a sad state of affairs and if your car was blowing smoke and popping the dipstick would your mechanic think your motor was fine even when compression tetsing showed otherwise? No...

People need to up there games. It is such an effort to get into medical school yet they churn out morons? I dont understand... At least i will be able to help people properly but im afraid it wontbe for another 7 or so years...

 

[Christian]

I have wondered about this. If someone has low test levels could it be that they just natually have a lower level of test. Just like some people are tall and some are short.

Yes but define normal?

Normal isnt optimal and suboptimal isnt efficient or in the best interests of anyone...

Naturally not everyone has high test but teenagers and 20 year olds with less test then 50-70 year olds isnt right.

 

[Rugby88]

I remember when I went to the doc about 3ish yrs ago because I was also stressed out, I was in there for about 10 mins and he gave me anti-depressents - no tests, no real reason for taking them - just here you go lol

I never took them lol

 

[Christian]

This is what bugs me..

We are brainwashed from children " the dr will help"

Its in kids shows books everything , get sick go to the dr...

But the dr is basically about as usefull as a supplement salesman.

Dr's study pharmacology... They learn diseases and then drugs to "treat" diseases...

Now who says use what drug to treat what disease? Well naturally the company making and manufacturing the drug(aka product).

People forget that drug companies have salesman and are profit organisations whos goal is to make money.. Not save mankind.

Im not saying we dont need drugs. Drugs are very neccisary.. However we need a new wave of health care professionals who are that HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONALS. Not script pushers...

Does this person fit xyz box? give them abc pill... Its wrong and simply doesnt work. However what we have is a positive feedback system. More pills more problems more money. Some times you need to over simplify things to see it for what it really is.


Now in kindreds case some dr will say low testosterone... Lets prescribe what? Testosterone... Will they ever want to find out why? No that isnt there job or what they are taught they simply try to replace what has been lost.

There a few health care providers out there who do actually spend more then 15min with clients. Though its expensive.. However it does get to the root cause of problems and is usually more efficient and less time consuming in the long term.

It seems GP's cant be bothered investigating problems anymore? Some of them cant even think logically.

For example i needed an arimidex script. (my dr was away overseas) I saw another dr a female. She did not understand why i was prescribed a breast cancer drug. I told her it isnt a "breast cancer drug" it is an aromatase inhibitor.. It is marketed as a product for breast cancer. Its mode of aciton is to reduce aromatase thus stopping testosterone from overly converting into oestrogens. That is its mode of actions! Regardless of the pink box and pretty flowers on it thats how the drug works and thats what it does. Yet she couldnt see past this as it was "a breast cancer drug and not for men".. Stupidity.

 

[Bazza20]

Yes but define normal?

Normal isnt optimal and suboptimal isnt efficient or in the best interests of anyone...

Naturally not everyone has high test but teenagers and 20 year olds with less test then 50-70 year olds isnt right.

Yes but not everyones body is optimal and optimal for what. Define what the optimal test level is for someone. Were do you draw the line.

I would guess my test levels would be fine. But optimal? Doubt they would be optimal for bodybuilding or weighifting.

 

[Christian]

Yes but not everyones body is optimal and optimal for what. Define what the optimal test level is for someone. Were do you draw the line.

I would guess my test levels would be fine. But optimal? Doubt they would be optimal for bodybuilding or weighifting.

Sub 15 isnt optimal for anythng.

 

[Rugby88]

Noobs do you think if you didnt train you would of seen these problems with yourself and do something about it?

 

[Christian]

Noobs do you think if you didnt train you would of seen these problems with yourself and do something about it?

I had these problems long before i trained. training just allowed me to find them.

Humans beings are not suposed to feel like crap... Dont let people tell you otherwise.

 

[Rugby88]

I had these problems long before i trained. training just allowed me to find them.

Humans beings are not suposed to feel like crap... Dont let people tell you otherwise.

Oh ok didnt know that!

Lets hope Kindred can sort all his probs out!

 

[Bazza20]

Sub 15 isnt optimal for anythng.

Like I said were do you draw the line 15, 20, 25, 30. No one is really optimal.

 

[Sticky]

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[Christian]

Like I said were do you draw the line 15, 20, 25, 30. No one is really optimal.

The thingis there is no line it is simply there for reference from the particular lab.

Naturally you have to take into consideration more then just a number. Such as age of the patient other medical problems.

You dont treat numbers you treat people.

More harm comes from testosterone defficiency then being optimal.. If it is about caring for people and their best interests then thats what we should be looking at doing.

 

[Bazza20]

The thingis there is no line it is simply there for reference from the particular lab.

Naturally you have to take into consideration more then just a number. Such as age of the patient other medical problems.

You dont treat numbers you treat people.

More harm comes from testosterone defficiency then being optimal.. If it is about caring for people and their best interests then thats what we should be looking at doing.

So it's a very grey area and optimal test levels could have many different interpretations.

Noobs you said you will be able to help people in 7 years. If you dont mind me asking what are you studying.

 

[Christian]

So it's a very grey area and optimal test levels could have many different interpretations.

Noobs you said you will be able to help people in 7 years. If you dont mind me asking what are you studying.

Only a grey area for the uneducated.. (not you im talking about physicians). But naturally it isnt all about 1 hormone its about them all and not finding the problem for secondary hypogonadism or treating the cascade of other hormones involved usually leaves the patient feeling not so much better.

Naturally if you are at the bottom of the reference range it isnt the best and the reason for you being there needs to be invetigated. If you have high insulin they will jump and be quick to put you on metformin but when it comes to hormones people tend to freak out. I know what they taught back then and what they teach now isnt the best way to go about things. But whos going to change that?

Its like any profession whats taught isnt what is and you need to learn the ropes once you are out there.

Bazz i study nutrition. and in 18months should hopefully have a bachelor of health science in nutritional medicine. With that i can sit gamsat and apply for bachelor of medicine bachelor of surgery MBBS.

I couldnt sit umat because i didnt do yr 11 and 12 and was told i needed to do that. So instead of that getting a bachelor degree in a related field but one of interest to me will allow me to have at least some knowledge on where i am going. Hopefully you are all around here in 7years and you can come to Dr n00bs

 

[Rugby88]

Waiting for Noobs book to come out.

 

[kindred]

The thing that makes me mad isnt that fact they arnt treating me. Its that they are not even prepared to research the problem. Has anyone ever been with a doctor that has consulted their reference material? What are these people computers or something? Going in to see a doctor is like going into a supermarket they just scan stuff mindlessly. Ok thats my rant.