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Sumo Vs. Conventional Deadlifts

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Comparing the biomechanics of conventional and sumo deadlifts

by Chris Beardsley on November 26, 2012

If you’ve read any of the posts here at the Strength and Conditioning Research blog, you’d be forgiven for thinking that all that ever crosses my mind is squatting. However, that’s not true because I also think about deadlifts.
With deadlifting, one of the interesting questions is how the sumo and conventional stances are different from a biomechanical perspective. This is the first step to understanding how they can best be used and trained. It could also help explain why some lifters naturally gravitate to one style rather than the other.
Fortunately, one of the very best studies on deadlifts gives us a lot of help towards answering that question.
The study: A three-dimensional biomechanical analysis of sumo and conventional style deadlifts, by Escamilla, Francisco, Fleisig, Barrentine, Welch, Kayes, Speer and Andrews, in Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise, 2000
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What does the literature say about deadlifting biomechanics?

The researchers put a lot of work into their literature review at the start of their study and discuss in detail the various studies that have previously investigated the barbell deadlift from a biomechanical perspective.
They report that, at the time of their review in 2000, three studies had examined lumbar spinal loads, two studies had investigated the effects of intra-abdominal and intra-thoracic pressures, but only one study had quantified joint and segmental angles, and similarly only one study had calculated joint angles and joint moments.
Given the prominence of the deadlift in strength and conditioning, that’s not really a lot of studies. And what’s more, only two of these studies compared sumo and conventional deadlifts, as follows:

  • McGuigan (1996) performed an analysis of the joint angles during the deadlift using competitive powerlifters as subjects. They noted that the during the sumo deadlift, the powerlifters had a more upright trunk. They also noted that during the sumo deadlift, the powerlifters displayed a greater range-of-motion (ROM) of the shank, which implies that the ankle must have moved by a greater amount.
  • Cholewicki (1991) investigated the lumbar loads and hip and knee moments for both the sumo and conventional deadlifts, again using competitive powerlifters as subjects. These researchers found that there were significantly greater shear (i.e. perpendicular) forces at the lumbar spine (specifically at L4-L5) among the powerlifters who were performing the conventional deadlift.
The researchers explain that these studies were limited in that they employed a two-dimensional (2D) analysis and only recorded a sagittal view of the lifter. While this is probably an acceptable assumption for analyzing the conventional deadlift, it could easily lead to error in the sumo deadlift, because the feet are often turned out considerably.
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What did the researchers do?

The researchers wanted to investigate and compare the joint angles, moments and moment arms of the hip, knee and ankle during both sumo and conventional deadlifts in 3D.
Before we go any further, let’s recap quickly what moments and moment arms are because some of the most interesting results of this study involve differences in both of these.
Moments (also called torques) are used to describe forces about a fixed point, like a joint. The moment about a joint is equal to the product of the force acting perpendicularly to the pivot and the distance between the pivot and the point where the force acts. This distance is also called the moment arm. The following picture shows a very basic model of a moment and how to calculate it.

OK, so let’s come back to the study now. To compare these joint angles, moments and moment arms, the researchers recruited 24 male, masters powerlifters (12 powerlifters who used the sumo deadlift in competition and 12 powerlifters who used the conventional deadlift in competition). The researchers then recorded the deadlifts of all the subjects using a 3D motion capture system.
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What happened?

Grip and stance differences

The researchers found that the powerlifters using the sumo stance used a foot stance that was 2 – 3 times wider (c. 70cm) than those using the conventional stance. In contrast, those using the conventional stance used a 17% greater grip width on the bar.
The researchers also noted that the powerlifters using the sumo stance turned their feet out 40 – 45 degrees while those using the conventional stance only turned their feet out by 10 – 15 degrees.
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Bar speed differences

The researchers observed that the powerlifters using the conventional stance reached peak bar velocity significantly faster than the sumo group. This meant that they spent significantly less time accelerating than the powerlifters using the sumo stance. This is a fascinating result and we can only speculate why this might be the case.

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Mechanical work differences

The researchers noted that those powerlifters using the conventional stance moved the bar through 20-25% more ROM than the those using the sumo stance and therefore performed c. 25–30% more work.

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Again, this is fascinating, as it would suggest that the conventional deadlift is much harder work than the sumo deadlift. So why do some of the best heavyweight powerlifters use the conventional stance? There must be other very meaningful factors involved.
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Joint angles

The researchers found that in the first phase of the lift, before the bar reached the knees, the powerlifters using the sumo stance retained a more upright trunk, placed the thigh closer to the horizontal, and positioned the shank more vertically.
The researchers found that at the knees, the powerlifters using the sumo stance displayed greater hip flexion and knee flexion. Additionally, they found that between lift-off and the knee point, the powerlifters using the conventional stance extended the hip, knee and shank through a greater ROM than those using the sumo stance.
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Joint resultant moments and moment arms

The researchers found that the ankle and knee moments were much larger during performance of the sumo deadlift than during the conventional deadlift. However, hip extensor moments were found to be similar in both groups. The following chart shows the various moments at the point of lift-off for both lifts.

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Although the chart doesn’t show the moments at the knee-point or at lock-out, and the moments are different at those points, the differences between the moments in the sumo and conventional stances follow a similar pattern at all the points, so this chart is representative for our purposes.
The important thing to note is how very different the ankle and knee moments are and how similar the hip moments are. The hip moment is only 14% greater in the conventional stance than in the sumo stance, while the ankle and knee moments are 130% and 74% greater in the sumo stance than in the conventional stance. Additionally, it is to be expected that the moments in the conventional deadlift should be higher, as the acceleration observed is greater.
The researchers also noted that the moment arm lengths changed in a very similar manner to the moments, suggesting that the main reasons for the differences in moments is the moment arm lengths and not the production of force by the various muscles. The following chart shows the various moment arm lengths at the point of lift-off for both lifts.

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Again, the difference in hip moment arm lengths is small, only 9%, while differences in the ankle and knee moment arm lengths are considerable, at 130% and 78%. You can see that the percentages are similar to the differences between the moments. So this suggests that lifters who have anthropometry that causes a large hip moment arm length will favor the conventional deadlift.
Very simply speaking, the main factor that would cause a large hip moment arm length is femur length. So lifters with long legs will most likely find the conventional deadlift more to their liking than the sumo deadlift. And given that the conventional deadlift is favored by the heavyweights and the sumo attracts the shorter lifters, this makes sense.
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What did the researchers conclude?

From their analysis of moments, the researchers suggest that the primary lower body muscles used during a conventional deadlift are the hamstrings, gluteus maximus, gastrocnemius and soleus. On the other hand, they concluded that the primary lower body muscles used during a sumo deadlift are the gluteus maximus, hamstrings, quadriceps and tibialis anterior.
The main differences between groups are therefore the involvement of the quadriceps and tibialis anterior in the sumo deadlift and the involvement of the gastrocnemius and soleus in the conventional deadlift. This corresponds with the commonly held view that the sumo deadlift is more like a squat, because of the much higher quadriceps involvement.
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Limitations

The study was limited by the specific population used as subjects. Non-powerlifters may display slightly different biomechanics because of different form.
Moreover, the study did not measure the electromyographical (EMG) activity of the various muscles during the lifts at the various points (lift-off, knee point and lock-out), so it is difficult to confirm whether the muscular force at those points was similar.
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Key points to take away


  • Sumo deadlifting generates much larger ankle and knee moments than conventional deadlifting at lift-off, knee level and lockout. However, hip extension moments are similar in sumo and conventional deadlifts, although the hip extension moment is slightly higher in the conventional deadlift.
  • The hip moment arm length is responsible for the slightly greater moment in the conventional deadlift, which may therefore favor the taller lifter.
  • The primary lower body muscles used for sumo deadlifting are the gluteus maximus, hamstrings, quadriceps and tibialis anterior while the primary lower body muscles used for conventional deadlifting are the hamstrings, gluteus maximus, gastrocnemius, and soleus.
  • During the conventional deadlift, the bar is moved through 20-25% more ROM than in the sumo deadlift and 25-30% more work is performed.
 
I have never done the sumo deadlift for more than a few sets, I always prefer to dead conventional. A while back I tried the sumo and it didn't sit right with me. From a powerlifting perspective, I guess you work with the technique that allows you to pull the most weight based on your own biomechanics - but for me, the method that produces the most work (conventional) suits best. Interesting none the less!
 
Thanks for that minchia.

I think for maximum exercise efficiency one needs to find the path of most resistance.
 
Nice thread.

Never been a fan of sumo, both personally to exectute or to watch, but interesting piece.
 
Your shins have to go from an angle to perpendicular so it goes without saying that the calves are heavily involved i was just asking if the sct of deadlifting and squatting was enough to train this motion. Like the hamstrings they act as dynamic stabilisers so i thought it wasnt a giant leap to ask if like hamstrings they could do with extra work
 
Your shins have to go from an angle to perpendicular so it goes without saying that the calves are heavily involved i was just asking if the sct of deadlifting and squatting was enough to train this motion. Like the hamstrings they act as dynamic stabilisers so i thought it wasnt a giant leap to ask if like hamstrings they could do with extra work

0ni, with squatting and deadlifting, everything under the bar is working.

It's exercises like these that expose a weakness, especially if one is an idiot and try's to lift a weight too heavy too soon.

Assistance does have its place, but much further down the track, first you must pay your dues.
 
0ni, with squatting and deadlifting, everything under the bar is working.

It's exercises like these that expose a weakness, especially if one is an idiot and try's to lift a weight too heavy too soon.

Assistance does have its place, but much further down the track, first you must pay your dues.

Lettuce be cereal, a set of hamstrings biceps and calves a few times a week is not going impact recovery and interfere with the main training. My question is will (like with biceps and hamstrings) the calves ever be likely to get to the point where lack of hypertrophy or strength causes the main lifts to progress at a lesser rate
 
Lettuce be cereal, a set of hamstrings biceps and calves a few times a week is not going impact recovery and interfere with the main training. My question is will (like with biceps and hamstrings) the calves ever be likely to get to the point where lack of hypertrophy or strength causes the main lifts to progress at a lesser rate

I'm not entering into a discussion on your recovery ability 0ni.

But ponder this, the larger exterior visible muscles a big for a reason as they are required to move over a further distance.

The smaller, flatter muscles closer the the joint, lesser moment arm, will play more of a stabilizing function.

So, as the larger muscles fatigue the smaller ones will need to start playing the role of the larger, and injury happens.

So, about recovery... adding assistance to a workout that consists mainly of compound movements can cause issues.

And if you continue to be a smart arse, I'll instruct Darkoz to slap you all the way back to the UK.
 
I seriously hope youre not saying that calf raises are likely to cause injury when deadlifting
Come on man give me a break
 
I seriously hope youre not saying that calf raises are likely to cause injury when deadlifting
Come on man give me a break

Yes I would say that raising a calf could contribute to injury, bazza20 would know more about that.

I am beginning to think that you are able to sleep while your lower body is working.

Whether you are curling, squatting, running, pulling a plough, recovery still comes from the same source.
 
May as well just take up stamp collecting

Are you injured?

The primary purpose of the CALVE muscles is to act as a shock absorber, you feel me?

Understand?

If this wasn't true, then one should be able to jump of the floor only using those muscles and nothing else.

Think about that.
 
You still jump higher with triple extention than double. Im not going to discuss that though, the question is pretty simple and that is whether a powerlifter would benefit from calf work. I dont need HIT horror stories on how you will overtrain or die if you add calf raises after squats

I can only imagine the uproar if i had posted that, seriously
 
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