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Caffeine

Christian

Active Member, June10MOTM
CAFFEINE KILLS
Okay, I know this article won't be popular. Most of us are so addicted to Caffeine that we don't want to know about it. I am writing this because when "Caffeine Blues" came out I just knew I had to read it. Several years ago I began to realise that coffee was much worse than we had been told, because I noticed that I got an arthritic pain in my wrist within ten to twenty minutes of a cappucino!

This book didn't just tell me how bad coffee was - it told me how GOOD I would feel once I was totally caffeine free for two months. Somehow, this book sold me on giving it a try. And it was right! For example, I no longer have the drained feeling that I sometimes used to get in the mornings.

This is one of the best health books I have ever read. It is written by Stephen Cherniske who is a Clinical Nutritionist. "Caffeine Blues" is incredibly easy to read, and convincing. After reading it I realized that caffeine does NOT give us energy. In fact, it is a major CAUSE of LACK of energy.However, he explains that this drug is so powerful that one needs to go for three weeks to two months without any caffeine before one notices the difference. And how many of us have ever done that? Hardly anyone.

Caffeine is also a major cause of heart attacks and cancer.

As Cherniske waded through the tons of information on caffeine, he began to see that consciously or unconsciously nearly every researcher starts from the assumption that caffeine is okay. Why? Probably because they themselves depended on caffeine.
Caffeine is in coffee, black tea, green tea, oolong tea (wu-yi tea), 'decaffeinated' coffee and tea, chocolate, colas, chuppa-chups, many sodas, some drugs, most 'energy' drinks and guarana.


A 6 oz cup of:

  • Percolated coffee has about 120 mg of caffeine
  • Black tea has about 70 mg of caffeine
  • Green tea about 35 mg of caffeine
  • Leading colas 45 mg of caffeine
  • Mountain dew 54 mg of caffeine
  • Brewed decaf has 5 mg of caffeine
  • Milk chocolate has 6 mg per ounce
  • Baking chocolate has 35 mg per ounce.
Caffeine is produced by more than eighty species of plants. The reason may well be survival. As it turns out, caffeine is a biological poison used by plants as a pesticide.
Caffeine is considered harmless simply because it is so widely used. Dr William Dement in his book "The Promise of Sleep" said that if caffeine was introduced today, it would not be allowed.

There is a brochure available in hospitals and other medical related areas: "What you should know about caffeine" published by the International Food Information Council (IFIC) in Washington DC. After many phone calls Cherniske finally got a list of 'supporters' of the IFIC. The list included Pepsi, Coca-Cola, M&M, Nutrasweet, Nestle and Hershey - all of whom have caffeine in their drinks and foods. 'Partners' of the IFIC included groups such as the National Association of Pediatric Nurses and the Children's Advertising Review Unit of the Council of Better Business Bureau Inc. This brochure says that "Caffeine is normally excreted within several hours after consumption". In fact, only 1% is excreted. The remaining 99% has to be detoxified by the liver.

It can take up to 12 hours to detoxify a single cup of coffee.
Many studies regarding coffee and hypertension were flawed, because the test studies came off coffee for only one or two weeks. It takes many more weeks than this for stress hormone levels of the body to return to normal.

The 'half-life' of a drug is the time it takes the body to remove one half of the dose. Caffeine is a drug. The half-life of a single dose of caffeine ranges from three to TWELVE hours.

Caffeine puts your body into stress. A single 250 milligram dose of caffeine (the equivalent of about 2.5 six ounce cups of coffee) has been shown to increase levels of the stress hormone epinephrine (adrenaline) by over 200%.

Caffeine triggers a classic fight-or-flight reaction. The fight-or-flight response was designed for events that happened only occasionally (such as a lion chasing you). Now, we put our body in fight-or-flight every day with caffeine!!! Since we are in society, we don't respond in a fight-or-flight way. Instead, other things may happen. For example, sugar and fat get dumped unused in the bloodstream. The sugar creates more stress. The fat clogs the arteries. The digestive system slows or shuts down.
Not only is caffeine addictive, it also encourages other addictions to substances like nicotine.

Caffeine does not give you energy. It stimulates your nervous system and adrenals. That's not energy, that's stress. Imagine going to a bank for a loan. The loan officer agrees to your loan. But as you leave the bank you notice the fine print - the loan has to be repaid at 75% interest! The 'energy' that you think you get from caffeine is really just a loan from the adrenals and liver, and the interest you have to pay is very high.

Stress is a major factor in disorders such as anxiety, insomnia, depression, ulcers, rheumatoid arthritis, headache, hypoglycemia, asthma, herpes, hypertension and heart disease. And yet hospitals provide coffee and tea, which put your body into stress!!!

DHEA is our vitality hormone. Decreased levels of DHEA is a cause of aging. Caffeine consumption leads to DHEA deficiency. Caffeine is an AGING DRUG!
Caffeine lowers the stress threshold in virtually everyone. That is, if you have had caffeine, it will be easier for you to suffer from emotional stress or other stress. (Therefore, when research is done that is designed to show how safe caffeine is, any test subject who is under significant stress is removed from the study).
Caffeine is implicated in ulcers and irritable bowel syndrome: GABA is produced in the intestinal tract, where it calms anxiety and stress. Caffeine disrupts the normal metabolism of GABA.

Caffeine disrupts sleep. Deep sleep is CRITICAL to good health. When there's caffeine in your bloodstream, you are unlikely to experience deep sleep at all!
Caffeine AT ANY TIME of the day can cause sleep problems, especially if you are under stress.

Malnutrition is one of the most well-defined effects of habitual caffeine intake.
A single cup of coffee can reduce iron absorption from a meal by as much as 75%.
People do not develop a tolerance to the anxiety-producing effects of caffeine. Rather, people simply become accustomed to the feelings of stress, irritability and aggressiveness produced by the drug.

Caffeine contributes to depression in well-defined ways. This is particularly due to the withdrawal effect, which can cause headache, depression and fatigue, even in light users (p. 111). Cherniske reported that 90% of people who came to him who suffered from depression and gave up caffeine completely for 2 months reported that their depression went away!

If you are a coffee (or tea or cola) drinker, you may be thinking, "Well, I drink coffee and I'm not depressed." It's necessary to state that everyone is different, and also that depression can be subtle. Throughout the book, Cherniske suggests that you will never know the full effect the drug is having on you until you experience what life is like caffeine free (which takes two months to do). Over the years, Cherniske has heard similar responses from hundreds of clients: "Wow, I never realized that caffeine made me so (select one: anxious, depressed, irritable)."

Students the world over use caffeine not only to stay awake, but also they believe the drug will improve their performance on exams. Solid research, however, illustrates that as little as 100 milligrams of caffeine (one cup of coffee, two cups of cola) can cause a significant DECREASE in recall and reasoning.

When people are relaxed and given caffeine, caffeine does not raise blood pressure significantly. But how many people are relaxed? When people are stressed and given caffeine, blood pressure is raised significantly.

Women who consume more than 24 ounces of coffee (6 moderate cups) per day had almost twice the risk of heart attack compared to non-coffee drinkers. Moderate coffee drinkers with high cholesterol had more than seven times the risk of heart attack, while heavy coffee drinkers had
eighteen times the risk of non-coffee drinkers!

Caffeine depletes your supplies of thiamin and other B vitamins, calcium, magnesium, potassium, iron and zinc.

Caffeine increases calcium loss and risk of osteoporosis.

In one large study, the risk for hip fracture for those women who consumed the most caffeine was 300% greater than it was for the group that consumed little or no caffeine.

Take the Challenge! Most people have no idea what life would be like without the background of caffeine and stress hormones coursing through their veins. Even if you're only having a few cups a coffee, chances are your personality is affected in ways that may be too subtle for you to associate with caffeine. I want to encourage you to conduct a trial period without caffeine. You owe it to yourself. And your family. It could save your life.

Don't' go 'cold turkey'. To avoid headaches etc. when giving up caffeine, Cherniske recommends taking up to six weeks to come off it. Drink the same NUMBER of cups, but each week reduce the strength or amount in each cup.

There is lots more information in this very easy-to-read and highly interesting book. 440 pages. Read this book and you won't need to spend so much on supplements!

UPDATES:
I have been truly amazed at the high number of 'scientific studies' that have come out since the publication of "Caffeine Blues" which supposedly show how chocolate and even coffee is good for us. I guess the chocolate / soda / coffee industry felt threatened enough that they had to pour money in to solve this new 'problem' of theirs.

As I read each study, I am reminded of the most memorable day during my Bachelor of Science degree at Sydney Universtiy. Professor Tony Underwood told our 3rd year Zoology class to get out one of our text books, and turn to a page which had a particular scientific study on it. He asked us, what had that study proven?

We gave the standard answers. But then the professor got all fired up and said, "No!". He explained how every scientific paper is set up to prove a particular point of view. But the truth is usually that you have to look at a particular problem from all angles. There were many, many other possiblities as to the truth of that study.

The same with these new 'studies' which appear to support caffeine. When you look closely, they will NOT say that caffeine enhances your health and long-term wellbeing. They will say something like a particular part of chocolate is good for you, but not all of chocolate, or that coffee helps reduce some particular kind of cancer - presumably because the person will be likely to get some other disease first instead. And they will ignore any other symptoms that may appear, especially long-term ones.
Remember, caffeine is an AGING DRUG.

Based on a book called Caffeine Blues which was written by clinical nutritionist Stephen Cherniske.
 
I strongly recommend weening yourself off caffeine.
I cut it out cold turkey and it was terrible (I didn't realise it was the caffeine at the time).

I'm glad to see Fadi and I aren't the only guys on the anti-caffeine team :)
 
I was addicted to caffeine like i think most people are without realising and would have two cans of coke a day and a couple of coffees a day to 'keep me going'. Sooner or you realise there are better alternatives to this, such as sleeping more or eating healthier. I did it nice and slow, the coke being the hardest due to the sugar high you get from it also and that brought on headaches but all good from there but i think i was lucky in that as soon as i stopped drinking coke like it was water and actually drinking water and milk etc i realised how shit it tasted. I'd still drink a very nice coffee if you bought one for me from a gourmet coffee shop but otherwise i'm caffeine free and loving it.
 
I take a strong cup of coffe before my workouts.

Gets my heart pumping in a panic as I approach the squat rack. Seems to help my lifts.

But is that just stress hormone surge?

Anyway thanks for posting that article.
 
I take a strong cup of coffe before my workouts.

Gets my heart pumping in a panic as I approach the squat rack. Seems to help my lifts.

But is that just stress hormone surge?

Anyway thanks for posting that article.

JDizzle, do you know the meaning of the words sophisticated, controlled, measured, balanced, just right (okay I cheated, that's two words but let's continue), off loader (done it again!), thief. Okay, I'll stop here.

I said all the above just to answer you question with a bit of emphasis as to why you heart was jumping in panic mode as you approached the squat rack.

So why?

Because caffeine does not know the meaning of controlled stimulation of your adrenal gland, no Sir, it's like: "come on, I smashed your door down Mr. and Mrs. Adrenal Glands, I need you to flood, yeh FLOOD that sucker with adrenaline and just stimulate his central nervous system any way any how just bloody do it alright!!!"

That was Beast caffeine screaming his head off at your adrenal glands to pour adrenaline into your blood stream. Now here's the bad part and why I called it a thief. Caffeine does nothing of its own when it comes to adrenaline. In other words it itself does not help in the biosynthesis of adrenaline; it does not help in refilling the adrenaline pool if you like.

Well wouldn’t you like to know of something that does just that and at the same time give you the stimulation that caffeine gives you, albeit through a different pathway? I knew you would. That would have to wait for an article by itself on the alternatives to beast caffeine...coming soon to Ausbb.

Now I'm heading off to training starting at 5:30am.


Fadi.
 
Thanks for your post Fadi, made me think abit

Did my workout today no coffee and I felt alot better afterwards. No crash.
I used be into all that N.O. arginine caffiene stuff too, got rid of that as soon as I realized I had better workouts without it.
 
I call BS.The article may be right in some respects but I have 2 cups a day and have gone for months on end without it and felt no different.I can go off it anytime I want with no effects.
I`ll continue to enjoy my morning cuppa.
 
CAFFEINE KILLS

Okay, I know this article won't be popular. Most of us are so addicted to Caffeine that we don't want to know about it. I am writing this because when "Caffeine Blues" came out I just knew I had to read it. Several years ago I began to realise that coffee was much worse than we had been told, because I noticed that I got an arthritic pain in my wrist within ten to twenty minutes of a cappucino!

This book didn't just tell me how bad coffee was - it told me how GOOD I would feel once I was totally caffeine free for two months. Somehow, this book sold me on giving it a try. And it was right! For example, I no longer have the drained feeling that I sometimes used to get in the mornings.

This is one of the best health books I have ever read. It is written by Stephen Cherniske who is a Clinical Nutritionist. "Caffeine Blues" is incredibly easy to read, and convincing. After reading it I realized that caffeine does NOT give us energy. In fact, it is a major CAUSE of LACK of energy.However, he explains that this drug is so powerful that one needs to go for three weeks to two months without any caffeine before one notices the difference. And how many of us have ever done that? Hardly anyone.

Caffeine is also a major cause of heart attacks and cancer.

As Cherniske waded through the tons of information on caffeine, he began to see that consciously or unconsciously nearly every researcher starts from the assumption that caffeine is okay. Why? Probably because they themselves depended on caffeine.
Caffeine is in coffee, black tea, green tea, oolong tea (wu-yi tea), 'decaffeinated' coffee and tea, chocolate, colas, chuppa-chups, many sodas, some drugs, most 'energy' drinks and guarana.



A 6 oz cup of:
  • Percolated coffee has about 120 mg of caffeine
  • Black tea has about 70 mg of caffeine
  • Green tea about 35 mg of caffeine
  • Leading colas 45 mg of caffeine
  • Mountain dew 54 mg of caffeine
  • Brewed decaf has 5 mg of caffeine
  • Milk chocolate has 6 mg per ounce
  • Baking chocolate has 35 mg per ounce.
Caffeine is produced by more than eighty species of plants. The reason may well be survival. As it turns out, caffeine is a biological poison used by plants as a pesticide.
Caffeine is considered harmless simply because it is so widely used. Dr William Dement in his book "The Promise of Sleep" said that if caffeine was introduced today, it would not be allowed.

There is a brochure available in hospitals and other medical related areas: "What you should know about caffeine" published by the International Food Information Council (IFIC) in Washington DC. After many phone calls Cherniske finally got a list of 'supporters' of the IFIC. The list included Pepsi, Coca-Cola, M&M, Nutrasweet, Nestle and Hershey - all of whom have caffeine in their drinks and foods. 'Partners' of the IFIC included groups such as the National Association of Pediatric Nurses and the Children's Advertising Review Unit of the Council of Better Business Bureau Inc. This brochure says that "Caffeine is normally excreted within several hours after consumption". In fact, only 1% is excreted. The remaining 99% has to be detoxified by the liver.

It can take up to 12 hours to detoxify a single cup of coffee.
Many studies regarding coffee and hypertension were flawed, because the test studies came off coffee for only one or two weeks. It takes many more weeks than this for stress hormone levels of the body to return to normal.

The 'half-life' of a drug is the time it takes the body to remove one half of the dose. Caffeine is a drug. The half-life of a single dose of caffeine ranges from three to TWELVE hours.

Caffeine puts your body into stress. A single 250 milligram dose of caffeine (the equivalent of about 2.5 six ounce cups of coffee) has been shown to increase levels of the stress hormone epinephrine (adrenaline) by over 200%.

Caffeine triggers a classic fight-or-flight reaction. The fight-or-flight response was designed for events that happened only occasionally (such as a lion chasing you). Now, we put our body in fight-or-flight every day with caffeine!!! Since we are in society, we don't respond in a fight-or-flight way. Instead, other things may happen. For example, sugar and fat get dumped unused in the bloodstream. The sugar creates more stress. The fat clogs the arteries. The digestive system slows or shuts down.
Not only is caffeine addictive, it also encourages other addictions to substances like nicotine.

Caffeine does not give you energy. It stimulates your nervous system and adrenals. That's not energy, that's stress. Imagine going to a bank for a loan. The loan officer agrees to your loan. But as you leave the bank you notice the fine print - the loan has to be repaid at 75% interest! The 'energy' that you think you get from caffeine is really just a loan from the adrenals and liver, and the interest you have to pay is very high.

Stress is a major factor in disorders such as anxiety, insomnia, depression, ulcers, rheumatoid arthritis, headache, hypoglycemia, asthma, herpes, hypertension and heart disease. And yet hospitals provide coffee and tea, which put your body into stress!!!

DHEA is our vitality hormone. Decreased levels of DHEA is a cause of aging. Caffeine consumption leads to DHEA deficiency. Caffeine is an AGING DRUG!
Caffeine lowers the stress threshold in virtually everyone. That is, if you have had caffeine, it will be easier for you to suffer from emotional stress or other stress. (Therefore, when research is done that is designed to show how safe caffeine is, any test subject who is under significant stress is removed from the study).
Caffeine is implicated in ulcers and irritable bowel syndrome: GABA is produced in the intestinal tract, where it calms anxiety and stress. Caffeine disrupts the normal metabolism of GABA.

Caffeine disrupts sleep. Deep sleep is CRITICAL to good health. When there's caffeine in your bloodstream, you are unlikely to experience deep sleep at all!
Caffeine AT ANY TIME of the day can cause sleep problems, especially if you are under stress.

Malnutrition is one of the most well-defined effects of habitual caffeine intake.
A single cup of coffee can reduce iron absorption from a meal by as much as 75%.
People do not develop a tolerance to the anxiety-producing effects of caffeine. Rather, people simply become accustomed to the feelings of stress, irritability and aggressiveness produced by the drug.

Caffeine contributes to depression in well-defined ways. This is particularly due to the withdrawal effect, which can cause headache, depression and fatigue, even in light users (p. 111). Cherniske reported that 90% of people who came to him who suffered from depression and gave up caffeine completely for 2 months reported that their depression went away!

If you are a coffee (or tea or cola) drinker, you may be thinking, "Well, I drink coffee and I'm not depressed." It's necessary to state that everyone is different, and also that depression can be subtle. Throughout the book, Cherniske suggests that you will never know the full effect the drug is having on you until you experience what life is like caffeine free (which takes two months to do). Over the years, Cherniske has heard similar responses from hundreds of clients: "Wow, I never realized that caffeine made me so (select one: anxious, depressed, irritable)."

Students the world over use caffeine not only to stay awake, but also they believe the drug will improve their performance on exams. Solid research, however, illustrates that as little as 100 milligrams of caffeine (one cup of coffee, two cups of cola) can cause a significant DECREASE in recall and reasoning.

When people are relaxed and given caffeine, caffeine does not raise blood pressure significantly. But how many people are relaxed? When people are stressed and given caffeine, blood pressure is raised significantly.

Women who consume more than 24 ounces of coffee (6 moderate cups) per day had almost twice the risk of heart attack compared to non-coffee drinkers. Moderate coffee drinkers with high cholesterol had more than seven times the risk of heart attack, while heavy coffee drinkers had eighteen times the risk of non-coffee drinkers!

Caffeine depletes your supplies of thiamin and other B vitamins, calcium, magnesium, potassium, iron and zinc.

Caffeine increases calcium loss and risk of osteoporosis.

In one large study, the risk for hip fracture for those women who consumed the most caffeine was 300% greater than it was for the group that consumed little or no caffeine.

Take the Challenge! Most people have no idea what life would be like without the background of caffeine and stress hormones coursing through their veins. Even if you're only having a few cups a coffee, chances are your personality is affected in ways that may be too subtle for you to associate with caffeine. I want to encourage you to conduct a trial period without caffeine. You owe it to yourself. And your family. It could save your life.

Don't' go 'cold turkey'. To avoid headaches etc. when giving up caffeine, Cherniske recommends taking up to six weeks to come off it. Drink the same NUMBER of cups, but each week reduce the strength or amount in each cup.

There is lots more information in this very easy-to-read and highly interesting book. 440 pages. Read this book and you won't need to spend so much on supplements!

UPDATES:
I have been truly amazed at the high number of 'scientific studies' that have come out since the publication of "Caffeine Blues" which supposedly show how chocolate and even coffee is good for us. I guess the chocolate / soda / coffee industry felt threatened enough that they had to pour money in to solve this new 'problem' of theirs.

As I read each study, I am reminded of the most memorable day during my Bachelor of Science degree at Sydney Universtiy. Professor Tony Underwood told our 3rd year Zoology class to get out one of our text books, and turn to a page which had a particular scientific study on it. He asked us, what had that study proven?

We gave the standard answers. But then the professor got all fired up and said, "No!". He explained how every scientific paper is set up to prove a particular point of view. But the truth is usually that you have to look at a particular problem from all angles. There were many, many other possiblities as to the truth of that study.

The same with these new 'studies' which appear to support caffeine. When you look closely, they will NOT say that caffeine enhances your health and long-term wellbeing. They will say something like a particular part of chocolate is good for you, but not all of chocolate, or that coffee helps reduce some particular kind of cancer - presumably because the person will be likely to get some other disease first instead. And they will ignore any other symptoms that may appear, especially long-term ones.
Remember, caffeine is an AGING DRUG.

Based on a book called Caffeine Blues which was written by clinical nutritionist Stephen Cherniske.

wow, very interesting stuff
 
I call BS.The article may be right in some respects but I have 2 cups a day and have gone for months on end without it and felt no different.I can go off it anytime I want with no effects.
I`ll continue to enjoy my morning cuppa.


DHEA is our vitality hormone. Decreased levels of DHEA is a cause of aging. Caffeine consumption leads to DHEA deficiency


Ok i will put it simple for you..

Caffine increases cortisol

Cortisol reduces DHEA

DHEA anabolic hormone we want to have alot of, more potant then Test.



That is not BS just simple physiology
 
Just lately I've cut out all caffeine. This was mainly from green tea (4 or 5 cups a day) and sometimes from an energy drink or something. I've never craved caffeine as such, i've just used it when I'm tired to get me through the day. I've noticed I seem to have alot more energy during the day now and don't start each morning at work with that really tired/lethargic feeling. Generally I'm finding myself more focused and getting more done at work too.
 
Just 30 years ago smoking was healthy.

We also don't really know the long term affects artificial sweetners will produce.

It seems as though most of us are wired in a way that we need an external stimulate from some source or another.
How you manage that is your responsibility.
I'd say that most of us (as lifters)here have some sort of obbsessive compulsive disorder.
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If you cut out caffiene just be mindful you don't substitute it with something else
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I was one cup of coffee a day and 4-5 cups of green tea... I just drink my green tea now. I'm interested to read the article your going to write up on substitutes Fadi. As I would dearly miss my green tea if its no good for me.
 
I was one cup of coffee a day and 4-5 cups of green tea... I just drink my green tea now. I'm interested to read the article your going to write up on substitutes Fadi. As I would dearly miss my green tea if its no good for me.

I'd make that 2 greens and 2 whites for a more balanced and comprehensive approach to the benefits both of these teas have to offer.


Fadi.
 
I should really start drinking green tea but I didn't like the taste when I tried it a while ago. Are there diff flavors or anything?
 
I should really start drinking green tea but I didn't like the taste when I tried it a while ago. Are there diff flavors or anything?


Try white, it does'nt taste so much and yes there is different flavours of green tea.

/Mattias
 
No white tea as in white tea:), normal tea use to be black, or the normal tea people reefer to is often black tea.

/Mattias

Ah I see. Does it have the same advantages as green tea or is it a completely different thing? I heard someone talking about green tea with honey, that sounds alright.
 
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