0ni
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I didn't say that people shouldn't clean and press, I said that there is no advantage of doing clean & press over separating the two movements and increasing the weight used on both.
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clean and press. What are your thoughts?
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I didn't say that people shouldn't clean and press, I said that there is no advantage of doing clean & press over separating the two movements and increasing the weight used on both.
The Hamburgler
Spotter Loader
And we've both suggested there is because you can save time.
Even if you can't press what you clean, you still have to accelerate the weight to your shoulders to start with
Even if you can't press what you clean, you still have to accelerate the weight to your shoulders to start with
Bench Polkov
SIR BENCHALOT
0ni
Registered Rustler
...which can all be achieved to a greater extent separating the movements
Bench Polkov
SIR BENCHALOT
Seriously, do you have the faintest clue about strength training?
Why don't you tell all the international rugby players to stop C&Ping. Then tell Derek Poundstone and all the other strongmen, tell all the elite powerlifters who use it as part of their training, tell all the crossfitters (vomit) who base their WODs around it.
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0ni
Registered Rustler
That's it, resort to ad hominem rather than explaining how I am 'incorrect'
The Hamburgler
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trofius
Member
Ok boys,
ONI is correct as individual exercises you can push more as a primary movement, he's just nit listening or readying correctly,
We are saying its a good assistance exercise, because it quicker, but no one has mentioned yet it adds great intensity to your workouts, which really hits your entire body. This stimulates growth, in much mire than just the muscles involved when the movements are seperated.
Also i can press, not strict mp, but a slight push press my max clean, i am sure many others are the same.
ONI is correct as individual exercises you can push more as a primary movement, he's just nit listening or readying correctly,
We are saying its a good assistance exercise, because it quicker, but no one has mentioned yet it adds great intensity to your workouts, which really hits your entire body. This stimulates growth, in much mire than just the muscles involved when the movements are seperated.
Also i can press, not strict mp, but a slight push press my max clean, i am sure many others are the same.
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Bench Polkov
SIR BENCHALOT
You don't just have to use it for cleans and pressing. You can use it to build overall strength and develop greater force production. Its one of the most complete open chain movements there is, working from head to toe.
Why the hell are you trying to discount a proven strength developing exercise?
Whatever he does it's obviously working for him.
0ni
Registered Rustler
Are you trolling? Say you're doing something like 5/3/1, you can do cleans before deadlifts or squats and do 5/3/1 pressing. You don't need to 'save time' combining the two
Clean and press doesn't produce more force than doing both clean and press separately...
Bench Polkov
SIR BENCHALOT
Bloody hell you're obtuse!
It does in the fact that it transfers force through a greater range of movement. Rugby player often have to transfer force from feet to hands in movements like tackles, ruck and mauls, etc. A clean and press develops that transfer.
Overall strength. Force transfer through the entire body. Time efficient training. Hypertrophy.
What other reasons do I have to give to explain why it is a good exercise.
The Hamburgler
Spotter Loader
There is no reason you couldn't clean the reps for overhead with 5/3/1. Thus, getting more posterior chain work in a shorter time frame.
I also don't see how the force production of a press would be any better out of a rack than after a power clean. If you're really that unfit that you would have no energy after the clean then I suggest you do conditioning/metabolic based training exclusively for the next 6 months
0ni
Registered Rustler
Clean and Press is a 2 phase technique, there is no transfer of force between cleaning and pressing.
I didn't say you couldn't do clean and press, I just said there was no reason to unless you like doing it. And yes, most people can OHP more than they can c+p
The Hamburgler
Spotter Loader
I will agree I can Ohp more than i can clean and press. It's nothing to do with conditioning.
You can get bar in a better position from the rack to press it rather than from the clean.
Bench Polkov
SIR BENCHALOT
You clean and press much? At all?
Maybe there isn't direct transfer as you do use a 2 phase movement but to keep the momentum going requires a quick movement and brute force to turn the clean into a push press. The point is that it is a whole body movement where great speed and force is required.
The Hamburgler
Spotter Loader
idk this guy didn't seem to have any problems lol
[youtube]3nJrYPVJ88M[/youtube]
you can adjust your hand placement after you catch the clean before you press anyway. not all that difficult and you'll find most WL do this before the jerk
0ni
Registered Rustler
That isn't a clean and press xD
No knee bend or momentum is used while doing c+p, if it is then you're doing a push press and you would be able to generate more force off the delts with a quick knee bend than coming up from a clean and pressing in one fluid motion