Atheists, perhaps it's you, and not God, who truly do not exist.

[Fadi]

I've never seen my brain before and neither has anyone else, so there's no proof that it exists.
There is however empirical evidence that it exists. There's no empirical evidence of a god. Most (when I say most I mean Christians as thats what was pushed onto me as a child) are just going by the 'you have to believe'. Well I believed in Santa Claus too and got presents. When I outed my parents I no longer did. So there's that.

Seperate to that. One question I have is, why do different religions have a different recollection of events, eg Jews, Christians, Catholics, Jehovah Witnesses, Muslims all have a slightly different story. Which one is right? That in itself invalidates all of them because it makes it seem like old wives tales

I don't (and have never believed in the) 'you have to believe' type of mentality wingman. That to me is blind faith. I am all for the falsification method if you like. And I'm sorry that Christianity was pushed onto you as a child with your questions (obviously) not been answered, at least to your satisfaction.

Now as for the empirical evidence, I have no problem with that brother. However for me, I'd like to examine everything at my disposal, and by everything I mean: the natural and supernatural, the empirical and philosophical, the physical and metaphysical.

As for the different religions going into different directions, you have an amazingly valid point and a point that was very close to my heart at one stage in my life when I was an agnostic. All I can say to you here, is that it’s up to you to find out which religion (or Deen as the case may be in Islam) is right for you. If none satisfy your intellectual faculties, then choose (or remain) on whatever it is that does brother. I can’t really say much more than that.

Edit (added): re the invalidation due to differences, leading to a conclusion of "old wives tales ". Please consider what I have mentioned before re today's scientists going beyond the Big Bang expanding universe theory please. As I have said, not many scientists are happy with a finite type of universe because it suggests a point of beginning. So Along came alternative models to that theory, however they have all been falling by the way side as failing when put under tests. Now you wouldn't abandon science based on that would you wingman? I would hope not, because I would expect you (if you were interested), to examine what has been tested and the reason behind the failings. Just because new theories pop up, does not automatically render science or the scientific method as wrong or unreliable etc. I'm saying that because a theist can use that as a counter argument to your different religions stand. I am not, as I believe in both science and logic as two complimentary methods of one another.

 

[Stiffy]

I've never seen my brain before and neither has anyone else, so there's no proof that it exists.
There is however empirical evidence that it exists. There's no empirical evidence of a god. Most (when I say most I mean Christians as thats what was pushed onto me as a child) are just going by the 'you have to believe'. Well I believed in Santa Claus too and got presents. When I outed my parents I no longer did. So there's that.

Seperate to that. One question I have is, why do different religions have a different recollection of events, eg Jews, Christians, Catholics, Jehovah Witnesses, Muslims all have a slightly different story. Which one is right? That in itself invalidates all of them because it makes it seem like old wives tales

Interesting question my furry little friend.

Its seems that the Jehovah Witnesses are the most Christian of the lot as they do not add or take away from the Bible. But then they (JWs) do some weird things. The Catholics, the biggest richest Church in the World, well. The Book of Revelations states that there will be NO more prophets, but don't the Catholic Church have their own prophets (or is that profits). The Book of Revelations also says "he who adds or takes away from this message will have his punishment multiplied". How many Churchs add and take away from the Bible's message - ALOT!


Anyway, all that matters is that TRUE Christians are very good trustworthy people (notice I said TRUE Christians, you bunch of heathens). God loves us all


















even you Wingman.

 

[Fister Roboto]

a deeper and more of a condescending, demeaning, and a judgmental meaning behind it

If the above is a bit heavy

lol.

Anyway, you're reading into what I said a bit much.
I just meant that going through bad times and rationalising it as "God's plan" seems a bit...I'm not going to finish that sentence because all of the words I'm coming up with could be misconstrued as being condescending when that's not really my intent.

Let's just say I feel more comfort in recognising what I can't change and changing what I can.

O God...Nope let me start over...
O common sense, give us the serenity to accept what cannot be changed, The courage to change what can be changed, and the wisdom to know the one from the other

 

[Stiffy]

Revelation 20:11-15 "Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. From his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done. And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire."

 

[craze]

I found people in the bretheren and generally jewish are quite honest.

 

[Stiffy]

Revelation 20:10 "And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever."

 

[Stiffy]

Acts 3:19 "Repent therefore, and turn again, that your sins may be blotted out,"

 

[vonfram88]

I've never seen my brain before and neither has anyone else, so there's no proof that it exists.
There is however empirical evidence that it exists. There's no empirical evidence of a god. Most (when I say most I mean Christians as thats what was pushed onto me as a child) are just going by the 'you have to believe'. Well I believed in Santa Claus too and got presents. When I outed my parents I no longer did. So there's that.

Seperate to that. One question I have is, why do different religions have a different recollection of events, eg Jews, Christians, Catholics, Jehovah Witnesses, Muslims all have a slightly different story. Which one is right? That in itself invalidates all of them because it makes it seem like old wives tales

Theres no empirical proof that God does not exist either.

I have seem my brain or at least that was my perception at the time.

 

[wingman]

Theres no empirical proof that God does not exist either.

I have seem my brain or at least that was my perception at the time.

If there's none either way, then the default is not. That's like saying there's no empirical proof that snails can fly.

And no you haven't.

 

[Headley]

Theres no empirical proof that God does not exist either.

I have seem my brain or at least that was my perception at the time.

it is usually very hard to prove the non-existence of something. For example i can't prove 100% that a PC is virus/malware free unless i spend a lot of time and effort analysing lines of code.

On the other hand it is easy to prove an alpaca is not pregnant by an ultra sound.

But proving god exists is a bigger version of proving santa claus doesn't exist

 

[Headley]

I found people in the bretheren and generally jewish are quite honest.

I have found some christians to be a pack of kunce.

On the other hand some of the best people i have ever met do have their faith in one form or another

 

[Stiffy]

I have found some christians to be a pack of kunce.

On the other hand some of the best people i have ever met do have their faith in one form or another

No such thing as a TRUE Christian being a kunt. A TRUE Christian loves his fellow man and would NEVER do anything to harm his fellow man.

A person who is a kunt is not a TRUE Christian. Remember there are a lot of FAKE Christians, those are the kunts you are referring to.

 

[Stiffy]

I'm not sure of the exact Scripture but somewhere it says "Thou shall not be a kunt!".

 

[Jungnaut]

I'm not sure of the exact Scripture but somewhere it says "Thou shall not be a kunt!".

lmao which fancy modern derp version of the bible would that be? Pretty sure there isn't a greek/hebrew word for 'KUNT'

I had a visit from the JW yesterday morning just as I was going to the gym. One was hella attractive so I just took whatever they gave me and said 'yep, yep!' a lot. She said something about coming back same time blah blah so I am not sure what's going on there but it better be good!

 

[Headley]

 

[Fadi]

The most reasonable belief is that we came from nothing, by nothing, and for nothing.

1. Who amongst the atheists of Ausbb believe in the above statement?

2. How did you arrive at your conclusion (on what basis)?

3. Did you have to think before arriving at such a conclusion, or did you arrive based on your own intuition (independent of any reasoning process)?

 

[Brick]

This is great Brother Brick. How long have you accepted Jesus Christ as your savior? Would you like to lead us in prayer from time to time, perhaps commence an Ausbb Bible Study group?

You can make all the shitful jokes you want but find me someone who has faced death with the chance to reflect for a moment first and not found their God, if you do find that man he is a liar.

there are no atheists in fox holes.

in that moment you either find strength in your god or you die. Whether he exists or not is utterly irrelevant because when you need god your belief in his existence is enough to make him tangible to you.

live a little, test the limits of your existence and you to will have no choice but to acknowledge his existence.

 

[wingman]

You can make all the shitful jokes you want but find me someone who has faced death with the chance to reflect for a moment first and not found their God, if you do find that man he is a liar.

there are no atheists in fox holes.

in that moment you either find strength in your god or you die. Whether he exists or not is utterly irrelevant because when you need god your belief in his existence is enough to make him tangible to you.

live a little, test the limits of your existence and you to will have no choice but to acknowledge his existence.

Hmm i had a couple year hiatus from the forums, so fill me in, when exactly did you come out of the closet?

 

[Fadi]

I would consider myself agnostic and I believe it is arrogant in the extreme to be absolute in your belief at either end of the spectrum without considering the other.

I would say naturally, when coming from an agnostic background as you've described your stance. By that I mean, the reason the agnostic does not have an absolute belief or a conviction in a (particular) belief is because he is an agnostic. That is the meaning of the word, hence I used the word "naturally" to your overall comment.

Having said the above, that does not give the theist or atheist a free ticket to be arrogant and inconsiderate of someone's position opposing his own. But it does happen, because we're human, and we're all different. Personally, I very much welcome the fact that we are all different; coming along with our different ideas, and frankly would not wish for it to be any other way, strange but true.

I'm all for diversity in beliefs, thoughts, and all that is in between. Funny how we humans absolutely rejoice when we come together with our different type of foods/dishes etc., but shy away and feel somewhat uncomfortable, awkward, and at times even threatened, when the matter involves thoughts and attitudes. Perhaps it's our survival mechanism kicking in, as we're always cautious of what we don't know or understand, with most finding the need to establish a quick line in the sand of "are you with me or against me?" This dividing line can easily be demolished if and when the two opposing parties can take hold of their alter ego, allowing for mutual respect, (despite differences in opinion and ideas) to be the dominant factor. Live and let live serves much better than my way is the only way.

 

[Brick]

Hmm i had a couple year hiatus from the forums, so fill me in, when exactly did you come out of the closet?

A couple years and still you havent managed to develop any wit or subtle humour. Perhaps you should take a coupe years off to work on that then return to insult me.