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bench programming

bams_101 said:
Great response bro, way to avoid all that I mentioned and make some complete bullshit up that has nothing to do with what I said.
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you were talking about irrelevant things

>As a whole, Conjugated Periodisation (westside programmimg), did not take into account for the development of geared lifting many years after it was originally thought up by the Dynamo Club.

No one fucking mentioned conjugate programming. I did not say conjugate programming was bad for a raw lifter. The rest of your argument is based around something "not being westside anymore" which frankly I give zero fucks about. Westside is a club known for it's multiply lifters, not it's raw lifters and many of the athletes have very poor (in comparison) raw strength to their geared strength
 
Westside doesn't have a cool russian name though, tell people your running sheiko or smolov and they think your some sort of vodka swilling bad arse who has escaped tsarist russia.

Just saying.
 
If you want to get really pedantic, you're not doing Westside unless you're there at the club
 
0ni said:
If you want to get really pedantic, you're not doing Westside unless you're there at the club
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Disagree. Theyve published their template for all to see and use. Thatd be like saying you're not doing ppp unless you're in frankston.
 
wingman said:
Disagree. Theyve published their template for all to see and use. Thatd be like saying you're not doing ppp unless you're in frankston.
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I disagree that swapping the DE day for a RE day would make it "not Westside"
Especially as Louie has published that as a template as well as Dave Tate in his bench press manual

However, that is completely irrelevant and I'm really not going to argue on a forum whether something is "Westside" or not
 
wingman said:
Disagree. Theyve published their template for all to see and use. Thatd be like saying you're not doing ppp unless you're in frankston.
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Im not disagreeing with you but i have seen Louie himself as well as Tate say that the only people doing westside are those at westside.
 
Did anyone else read that article wingman posted; the vibrations from tje fibreglass bar fixed my shoulder after replacement surgery WTF. Kudos to anyone that goes on to bench 140kg after a full reco at least Louie walks the walk.
 
Louie Simmons is awesome and a fucking beast, people just forget that he trains geared lifters and his advice might need to be adjusted somewhat for the raw lifter
 
0ni said:
you were talking about irrelevant things

>As a whole, Conjugated Periodisation (westside programmimg), did not take into account for the development of geared lifting many years after it was originally thought up by the Dynamo Club.

No one fucking mentioned conjugate programming. I did not say conjugate programming was bad for a raw lifter. The rest of your argument is based around something "not being westside anymore" which frankly I give zero fucks about. Westside is a club known for it's multiply lifters, not it's raw lifters and many of the athletes have very poor (in comparison) raw strength to their geared strength
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Really? You brought DeFranco and Kennelly into the discussion on raw lifting when one is a geared lifter and one trains athletes who according to another thread you apparrently have no respect for, "god damn i hate defranco" i believe were the exact words. Talk about irrelevant.

Now for the conjugate method. Speed or DYNAMIC EFFORT work is a fundamental part of it whether it be box jumps, shot put, keg toss or speed bench. So by arguing that speed work or speed-strength skills are not good for raw lifter is saying that conjugated programming is bad for the raw lifter.

Yes I agree that only the people in Columbus, OH right now training with Louie are the ONLY people that can claim to be doing "Westside". I follow the basic Westside Template which is not the same thing and I never claimed it to be.

Westside is a powerlifting club, as you know. Also as you know they want to be they biggest and the best. THEY DO NOT CARE ABOUT RAW! The stronger they are raw however can possibly mean a bigger carry over to their shirted/suited work. From what I have seen on Youtube videos, and Westside Videos and all the Louie Simmons articles I have read and the Westside Barbell Book of Methods the train in MINIMAL gear unless they are learning a new piece of equipment or in a Circa-Max contest prep phase. Can you tell me who exactly you're referencing to raw:equipped strength?? Cos Id love to know, again, where you source your info because POOR is not a word I would use to describe Westside and then spout "Louie is a beast" a post or two later.

I think you're a talking head with no real ideas of your own, and by the sound of it so do a few others on this forum.
 
bams_101 said:
Now for the conjugate method. Speed or DYNAMIC EFFORT work is a fundamental part of it whether it be box jumps, shot put, keg toss or speed bench. So by arguing that speed work or speed-strength skills are not good for raw lifter is saying that conjugated programming is bad for the raw lifter.
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That's the complex method - working several aspects of strength at the same time
The conjugate method is the act of rotating or changing up
Speed training has nothing to do with the conjugate method

xD
 
I need help with my bench.

If my 1RM is ~80kg, should I do something like Ed coans program, one heavy day, one light. Or should I hit it 2 times a week heavier?

I respond better to higher volume I think, I never get anywhere on the 5 x 5 stuff.
 
Alpha Moth said:
I need help with my bench.

If my 1RM is ~80kg, should I do something like Ed coans program, one heavy day, one light. Or should I hit it 2 times a week heavier?

I respond better to higher volume I think, I never get anywhere on the 5 x 5 stuff.
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Whats your body weight, years lifting etc. All factors that need to be considered. Whats your current programme, progression, assistance etc.
 
Brick said:
Whats your body weight, years lifting etc. All factors that need to be considered. Whats your current programme, progression, assistance etc.
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years lifting.. 1 maybe? anything before that and I've just messed around.
BW:74kg (currently getting help from max brenner, so diet isn't the problem anymore from now on i would think)


currently doing just a cycle of smolov to see how it goes.
before that my last 12 weeks were
mon:upper
wed:lower
fri:upper
sat:lower

upper and lower has one lift that i progress for 5 x 5 on mondays, and 4 x 5, 1 x 3 on friday (each week increasing 2.5kg or so on the friday for the 1x 3 )

did the following and got my bench from a measly 60kg to 80 in around 2 months, but now i seem stuck on 80 after deloading numerous times, eating more etc) i just want to give higher volume ago. my assistance was just DB bench and dips.
 
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