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Split Routines?

The Hamburgler said:
Tbh I can't see it cos im on my iPhone :p

I meant comparatively. Obviously if you go to a powerlifting gym it's different but walk into a FF and the dude with the biggest shoulders and chest is 9/10 the guy who benches the most
My old gym was full of bodybuilders. Now guess who were bigger - the guys doing 50kg bench press and 10kg curls or 100kg bench press and 150kg deadlifts?
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This.

Even if they were on juice, they were still the strongest.
 
Christian said:
I just finished reading an article in ironman.

On this very topic.

I don't know what to think anymore. Perhaps I need to rethink my training.

Naturally I assumed a 300kg deadlift would have me looking how I want. Perhaps that isn't so.

Maybe we are all brainwashed..
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I honestly think alot of ppl on here have been somewhat brainwashed into only thinking one way in regards to training...not to name names...

Bodybuilding has nothing to do with how much weight lifted - theres plenty of ppl who can deadlift 300kgs and dont look much diff to a normal person.

You only have to take 10 mins to look at a powerlifters shape/body and a bodybuilders shape/body and understand that one training method will get you one way and another will get you another way.

As I have said before in bodybuilding it does not matter if your deadlifting 150kgs or 300kgs its how that exercise will help you grow and change the shape of your muscle/body.

If putting on size and focus on bodybuilding is a goal then 5 x 5 squating/benching/deadlifting 3 times a week will not get you to your goal...
 
Everytime I think of this topic I go and watch elitefts and mark bell and his mates videos and i feel confident with strength training again.
 
Bazza20 said:
How many top bodybuilders out there that can only deadlift 150kg.

None my guess.
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I know acouple of top INBA guys who can only deadlift 140kgs for around 10 reps...these guys are in between 90-95kgs on stage.

In regards to pros though Id say pretty much all of them can deadlift between 200-300kgs for reps - but that wasnt the point of my post - again Iam not pointing out numbers but making a point I could of said 20kgs, 50kgs, 125.4kgs - I was making a point not a point of how much weight lol
 
Christian said:
Everytime I think of this topic I go and watch elitefts and mark bell and his mates videos and i feel confident with strength training again.
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What do u mean mate? I know alot of EliteFTS guys include alot of bodybuilding style training into there programs now - not sure about Supertraining (Mark Bell) - I still think their focus is purely on Westside.
 
Joel said:
I honestly think alot of ppl on here have been somewhat brainwashed into only thinking one way in regards to training...not to name names...

Bodybuilding has nothing to do with how much weight lifted - theres plenty of ppl who can deadlift 300kgs and dont look much diff to a normal person.

You only have to take 10 mins to look at a powerlifters shape/body and a bodybuilders shape/body and understand that one training method will get you one way and another will get you another way.

As I have said before in bodybuilding it does not matter if your deadlifting 150kgs or 300kgs its how that exercise will help you grow and change the shape of your muscle/body.

If putting on size and focus on bodybuilding is a goal then 5 x 5 squating/benching/deadlifting 3 times a week will not get you to your goal...
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I'm with you here.
A light weight can be made to feel heavy, depending on how you lift it, your muscles won't know the difference.
And, you can lift very heavy weights, but may not necessarily feel it working the muscles you want to target.
 
Christian said:
Everytime I think of this topic I go and watch elitefts and mark bell and his mates videos and i feel confident with strength training again.
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And this is the key-stone is confidence in what you are doing.

Your shape you cannot change, it's dictated by your bone structure.
That and fibre type are just some of the set factors that determines what sport you are going to excel at.

Okay we all know that weight training stimulates muscle growth, a general consensus exists on that score, but at that point agreement ceases, instead of agreement we have wide spread controversy.

Whether one protocol will produce faster results (and let face it, be brutally honest, you want results now!) this cannot easily be proven, the controversy has been raging on for years, the only person I know of that made sense of it all was Arthur Jones.

Find what works for you and stick with it

Christian, it does my head in also.
Focus on the journey and not the end.
We are not machines we all function differently
 
To me there isnt a confusion in which training you should be doing for which goal - its simple you pick which is a proven path in which ever goal you pick and go from there....
 
Joel said:
To me there isnt a confusion in which training you should be doing for which goal - its simple you pick which is a proven path in which ever goal you pick and go from there....
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Joel, I'm interested in this comment of yours "which is a proven path" please elucidate.
 
Path A - Bodybuilding - bodybuilding style training - which has been tested and proven over years.

Path B - Strength Training - Strength training programs that have been proven over years.

You could go on and on - sports training programs, running programs, etc etc etc - we are in the lucky position now that we do not have to test things out and see whats good for strength or whats good for size or whats good for explosive power - we just need to take what has been tested/proven over years and pick and choose what works for us.

Your not going to give a dude who wants to be a bodybuilder a 5x5 program much like your not going to give a powerlifter a split program...we know this now...we dont have to be test dummies.

How doesnt this make sense to ppl? is it just for the fact that ppl argue to argue because they think strength training/powerlifting is so much better than bodybuilding...am I one of only a few guys here who understands the diff training methods for different sports...
 
Yea of course - but your always better off to focus on one goal than 2,3,4 because in the end you wont be great at either thing ...its like when ppl come to me and ask to get ripped, but build muscle but still drink beer ...ur like ok...wtf
 
Dorian yates only did one working set. 6 warm set but one big ass working set. I've been keen to find somebody who has done it personally
 
Yeah ceffo, 6 warm up sets. even in blood and guts he says do 2 on some of them. mike mentzer was the same, i ve been told personally by a pro bb who trained with him back in the day, did a total of 7 sets..only 1 working though?!

I did the heavy duty routine for 10 weeks, did not change it in any way at all. It was great for those ten weeks, it has it strong points and weakness' like any program. Now its on to the next one.
 
For the last twenty or so years my workouts have been based on H.I.T

With the exeption of the squat and deadlift, my sets are one- to Positive fatigue, I'm also big on negative accentuated training and fascinated with metabolic conditioning.

I dont believe in warm-up sets or stretching before a workout.
It's serving me well.
 
Joel said:
HIT/Heavy duty/Max-ot - all sick ways to train
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Post some programs based on this type of training. And they can be stickied.
People then have choices on different style of programs and can find out for themselves what works for them and what doesn't.

I have a brief idea of HIT, no idea what Max-ot is.

Are they designed for sarcoplasmic or myofibrillar hypertrophy or both??

Genuine questions.

Thanks
 
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