the importance of specific strength for sport, avoiding heavy lifts

[spartacus]

I would only ever recommend powerlifting squats and deadlifts to powerlifters.

 

[spartacus]

To show how off the mark they are, comments made about majak daw being the "strongest in the league because of his benching numbers... but wow can't explain why his endurance and speed is poor" is just reflective of the pure ignorance and bullshit and criminal acts that so often happen in pro sport.

he is not a great player. yes, strong and fast, but skill and other facets not top class.

 

[spartacus]

I'm not sure you would want a triathlete to do powerlifting. They are essentially marathon runners who need a light body weight and endurance.

i don't know what to say about such rubbish.

so you would say the same thing about squats, leg extensions, leg curls, and so on. they too have the potential to build mass/strength?

 

[spartacus]

either an exercise is good for strength or it is not.

apparently if you deadlifts you will explode and dramatically put on huge amounts of muscle.

i must remember to tell this to the sticks around here who have been doing deadlifts for ages, but are still sticks.

 

[Goosey]

he is not a great player. yes, strong and fast, but skill and other facets not top class.

Well, he skilled in some areas, my point was that his upper body is extremely muscular yet his lower body is well below par, his primary function in his game is to run all day and fast, neither of which he can do well because his legs are trying to move a lot of bulk.

sort of opposite to what the modern footballer needs.

 

[spartacus]

would not matter how conditioned he was; he does not have it skill, or heart wise.

guys, with half of his athleticism, can easily do him over.

there have been guys with lots of useless muscle mass, only difference was they were much better.

 

[Goosey]

would not matter how conditioned he was; he does not have it skill, or heart wise.

guys, with half of his athleticism, can easily do him over.

there have been guys with lots of useless muscle mass, only difference was they were much better.

Yes, I understand that, I'm talking about him, improving his game would mean he needs to develop his running game, adding muscle to his butt and legs whilst leaving the bench press alone would improve his impact on the game.

lets leave it at that.
whether his skill is better or worse than others is moot in this particular topic.

 

[spartacus]

i agree.

i think we both agree that an athlete should try and target relevant fitness and strength components as much as possible.

there is a wide world of sports show where the US police force pumped up with bench press and impressive physiques, but fire brigade with pots bellies won tug of war against them by developing pulling muscles.

there is only one sport where all useless muscle groups for sport needs to be developed; and that is bb. But even BB champs give other muscles priority for the sake of balance.

 

[Stiffy]

I would only ever recommend powerlifting squats and deadlifts to powerlifters.

Who said anything about Powerlifting? You said Sportsmen don't need Strength training, of which Powerlifting is a subset of. You then go and describe a Strength routine (Pull-ups etc)for a Swimmer, completely contradicting your thread title.

Swimmers have been doing Pull-ups and various other Strength exercises like Pulley-rows since Jesus was a starter for the Jerusalem U18s.

 

[Timeah]

I would only ever recommend powerlifting squats and deadlifts to powerlifters.

Interesting...considering the 4 mma fighters i trained with on occasion all used these movements, and heavy. Except for perhaps bench? I dont remember ever benching with them...almost always deadlifts.

One being Robert Whittaker....

They were all big on deadlifts, using the conventional style.

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[Stiffy]

Interesting...considering the 4 mma fighters i trained with on occasion all used these movements, and heavy. Except for perhaps bench? I dont remember ever benching with them...almost always deadlifts.

One being Robert Whittaker....

They were all big on deadlifts, using the conventional style.

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Yep, a number of UFC fighters have been converts to Deadlifts for yonks. I think most Rugby League players Squat too.

 

[Stiffy]

Yep, a number of UFC fighters have been converts to Deadlifts for yonks. I think most Rugby League players Squat too.

Except for Justin Hodges apparently - pussy!!!

 

[Timeah]

Yep, a number of UFC fighters have been converts to Deadlifts for yonks. I think most Rugby League players Squat too.

Yeah. They were decent squatters too.

Ive seen league players squat. Half squats. But intentional half squats. I didnt see them full squatting.

The deadlift is probably a good exercise for a multitude of sports.

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[Stiffy]

I suspect Spartacus has just created this controversial thread (in the PL section) so it would continually get bumped to promote his PT business.

Self promotion is no promotion

 

[spartacus]

Interesting...considering the 4 mma fighters i trained with on occasion all used these movements, and heavy. Except for perhaps bench? I dont remember ever benching with them...almost always deadlifts.

One being Robert Whittaker....

They were all big on deadlifts, using the conventional style.

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now i dont want to upset you poweflifters who specialise in the three lifts.

but, and i repeat, i said they are not necessary, but if you want to do them, then do them.

but, I don't rate them. do you comprehend what I said this time.

 

[spartacus]

my reason is I could not be bothered wasting my time, or any others, learning a skill just to do a deadlift.

I do not see any need for non-powerlifters to do them when the posterior chain can be effectively developed by much simpler exercises.

but, if they excite you and you love lifting awesome weights (even sumo style), then do them.

 

[Shrek]

A bodybuilder does not need to bp, dl or sq.

 

[spartacus]

A bodybuilder does not need to bp, dl or sq.

neither does a non-powerlifter, around 99.9999999999% of the population.

those lifts are just three of many choices.

many bb's use bench ad squats, and some do not.

 

[spartacus]

you see shrek, even when people used to come up to me and marvel at my reasonable power clean, I had the honesty to break it down and point out why it was not needed.

very often, these people were more powerful than me, but not skilful or gutsy enough in the lift to do as well.

viewing lots of bb's, some very powerful, also enlightened me about specific conditioning.

I have just one opinion of many, but I am happy to stick to what I believe in.

if people want to get bigger overtime through the powerlifts, then good luck to them.

 

[spartacus]

this article may help; yet again, may not.

https://www.t-nation.com/training/5-lies-about-lifting-weights

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