Test Booster Trial - anyone interested?

KungFooGoo said:

I just take everything as per the recommended dosage. 1 DIM in the morning with 1 TB and then 1 TB and 1 ZMA at night. I take a green tea extract in the am and pm as well but l dont think that would matter too much.

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I would re read the pack mate that is NOT the recommended dosage you are taking. Recommended is 2x TB AM and 2x TB PM, 1x DIM AM and 1x DIM PM as well as 1x ZMA PM as written on the container and also on the BN web site.

By the way have added another 4.4kg to my squat pb as well as smashing my Bench press pb by 4.8kg

Big Mick said:

I would re read the pack mate that is NOT the recommended dosage you are taking. Recommended is 2x TB AM and 2x TB PM, 1x DIM AM and 1x DIM PM as well as 1x ZMA PM as written on the container and also on the BN web site.

By the way have added another 4.4kg to my squat pb as well as smashing my Bench press pb by 4.8kg

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I agree l was taking the wrong dosage for the TB ill up that to 2 in the morning and 2 at night.

With the DIM though it says "Servings per package: 120 - Serving size: 100mg (one capsule) Dosage: A typical dose is one capsule a day Im assuming you're doing the right thing though so if you can confirm that is what you're meant to be doing ill follow suit.

Well done on the pb's as well, you're smashing it.

Mate just double checked yes you are correct on the DIM, how ever Aaron has me on one AM and one PM as per his instructions to me. So I guess it's up to you if you want to take one or two, will follow up with Aaron soon and clarify some of these things unless he gets on here soon to clear it all up!

For now if I were you I would probably stick to what is on the pack

10 - 4 on that, ill change the TB dose to the correct one and just keep the DIM at 1. Cheers for the help.

Big Mick said:

Still have not heard from Aaron, he must be busy formulating our anti oxidant complex

Well I will put this out there

Today is day 9 of me taking all the test boost supplements as prescribed.

Since then my squat has gone from 127.8kg to a new PB of 141.48kg (reaching and surpassing my goal of 140kg) Thats a whopping 13.68kg in under 2 weeks!!!!!! The 141.48kg came up easy, and was a full squat, I felt like adding more weight, but did not want to risk injury, so I left it at that!!!!

My dead lift has gone from 153.4kg to 162.2kg, adding 8.8kg over the same time frame.

And today was the first time I benched over 100kg since my chest strain in early August, again it felt light and I recon I could have nailed a new PB in the bench, but had no spotter and again did not want to risk injury, so was happy just to get over 100kg.

Placebo???? Coincidence???? Would I have done the same without the supplements???? Could they work this quick???? Who knows??? But one thing is for sure I am feeling on top of the world at the moment, and that's all that matters.....

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A quick message to Bioflex... Will they putting this combo out as a pack... So that punters can buy them all at a reduced rate???

Also once dosing is established it would be worthwhile packaging each individual product at a size so that they all run out at the same time...

The above results are pretty significant... Whether its the sups or not remains to be seen...

Keenly watching future results here...

My bloods are in...

* my Total Test : 21.4 nmol/L
* my Sex Hormone Globulin : 29 nmol/L
* my Calculated FREE Test: 500 pmol/L

All well within normal for a < 35yrs male. I am 45 years old.

Ready to go.

Will post my results up over the week end as well, have filed the paperwork already

Another PB today adding just over 6kg to my Dead Lift in one workout, that's 15kg since I started my test boosters three weeks ago did not set out to do this, was going to be a light workout today, but I felt strong so I went for it, feeling a million bucks

Seem to be recovering faster, feeling better, and feeling stronger.....placebo??? Who knows, or more importantly who cares, I certainly don't, it looks like I will be achieving my strength gaols before the three months are up and then some

Don't wanna be the party pooper, but I thought there was no proof ever in the history of science that tribulus ever did anything to test levels?

Bsc did this on the old Neil Garder forums - ah...those were the days - I asked the Bsc rep not to send me free trib products, just send me scientific proof that it actually works. Well, he dissapeared from the forums and quite a few years on I'm still waiting!!

pistachio said:

Looks good, nice to see the ZMA included in there.

What are the doses we are meant to take?

The test booster combination doesn't seem like enough tho, I thought it was 4 capsules a day? (2 serves of 2)

Also the serve of D-Aspartic Acid was 3g a day if I recall correctly, so we would need more of that?

Also, regarding the DAA, I read the following about it:

To get the most benefit from D-aspartic acid you must use a form that is highly soluble and bioavailable. Unfortunately, straight D-aspartic acid has terrible water solubility (less than 1 gram will dissolve in 220 milliliters of water). This means that it basically sits in your digestive tract as a gritty powder and absorbs very slowly and erractically. Furthermore, at higher dosages this powder can cause digestive disturbances in susceptible individuals.

How to solve the d-aspartic acid solubility problem is found out. Calcium chelate of the amino acid is the key.D-Aspartic Acid Calcium Chelate dissolves practically instantly in any beverage and it is essentially tasteless. What that achieved was increasing the water solubility from less than 1 gram/200 milliliters to practically limitless. It was quite a remarkable achievement. What is also remarkable about this chelate is that it happens to be stable over a very wide pH range. Once converted to this calcium chelate the amino acid became much more user friendly, as well as more quickly absorbable, and quite possibly more bioavailable. In addition to that, you get a healthy dose of highly bioavailable calcium with each dose.

It is recommended that people take 1-2 servings a day, and often users may find it advantageous to “load” with 2 servings (6 grams) a day for two to four weeks and then “coast” with 1 serving (3 grams) a day for the remainder of the cycle. Cycles can last anywhere from 3 weeks to indefinitely, since this product works with your body and is completely natural.

Not sure if you are aware of this Ben / Aaron, but is it possible to accommodate the above? I think the general idea is just to take the DAA with calcium chelate, no idea where you get that from though.

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I don't consider this an issue as all the data I have read on D Aspartic Acid was based on using it in isolation.
It would be interesting to see how the Calcium Chelate assists it, however until I see data providing evidence to that it working, I will assume it is of little benefit.

Funnily enough, I am having this exact debate on another forum. Making something more soluble does not necessarily mean it is more bioavailable, while it may absorb faster, when dosing only twice a day, rapid absorption is not what is wanted.
The example above is a great example of - if this has that effect then that should be the consequence, which makes assumptions about lack of absorption which there is just no evidence of.

Mick, I think you have been exchanging text messages with me mate rather than Aaron.

Great to hear things are going well with this experiment, I will watch on with interest at the results, and it will be fascinating to see if these gains in strength, and hopefully muscle size are actually caused by an increase in testosterone levels.

I have a few theories (though completely unfounded) that Tribulus does indeed provide a few benefits even in the case that Test Levels aren't directly affected.
Saying that, I would expect this trial to be very different as Tribulus is just one of the many ingredients which are being utilised and D Aspartic Acid really does see to have some good evidence behind it.

Mick, regarding dosages.

The default doses for the guys involved are:

Text Booster Combo caps - 2 capsules twice a day (4 in total)
D Aspartic Acid 2 - 3 grams twice a day (so 4 - 6g in total).
ZMA capsules 1-2 capsules in the Pm before bed
DIM - 1 capsule twice a day (so 2 capsules in total).

As we all know this is not in any way a scientific trial. The idea was to get people involved who were consistent with training, are good at keeping logs and should be in a consistent enough state to gauge real results.

By doing our before and after tests I hope we get some idea of the real world effects on testosterone and estrogen that these substances bring.

Bioflex said:

Mick, regarding dosages.

The default doses for the guys involved are:

Text Booster Combo caps - 2 capsules twice a day (4 in total)
D Aspartic Acid 2 - 3 grams twice a day (so 4 - 6g in total).
ZMA capsules 1-2 capsules in the Pm before bed
DIM - 1 capsule twice a day (so 2 capsules in total).

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Just checked my phone, and yes you are correct been exchanging messages with Ben rather than Aaron

The above dosages is exactly what I have been taking, and I have been religious about it, not having missed a single dosage to date.

I am really interested to see what the final blood results will be, but what ever they will be, it is I certainly feel a million $$$, and that I am feeling a lot stronger, more motivated and I am certainly recovering faster than before even with the heavier weights I been handling, for those that follow my workout dairy you will see earlier entries where I had to cut back on workouts due to not recovering adequately between training sessions

I am hoping to soon be achieving all my personal strength/lifting goals within the next 2 months....

Nice work Mick, glad things are going well.

With those kind of results so far, if the bloods remained unchanged it does beg another very interesting question. If T levels aren't leading to the improvements then what mechanism is causing it?

We'll wait and see if this question needs to be asked, however it is one that I think needs to be looked into. People definitely get results from these products, why?

Is there any possibility of seeing the price come down on the test combination? It's tough being a student

sssboi said:

Is there any possibility of seeing the price come down on the test combination? It's tough being a student

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I PM'd Bio and requested they sell a one month stack consisting of the same comibination... Using the same dosages that the test trialers are using... Where all product runs out on the 30th day...

A one month test booster stack.... This is something I will try... Runs out on the 30th day with no wastage...

Recieved a message back that it is something they will look into... Could see it as early as January...

nazzysmith said:

I PM'd Bio and requested they sell a one month stack consisting of the same comibination... Using the same dosages that the test trialers are using... Where all product runs out on the 30th day...

A one month test booster stack.... This is something I will try... Runs out on the 30th day with no wastage...

Recieved a message back that it is something they will look into... Could see it as early as January...

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The test booster stack contains aspartic acid and DIM is that correct? As much as I'd like to go the full stack, the test booster combination is about all I could afford. Will there be any christmas specials or promo codes?

Got my stuff on Friday, looking forward to starting this next week! Will be testing my 1RM for bench and deadlift this week (will be doing 20 rep squats, so no point testing that just yet), also getting a DEXA on wednesday.

Will retest 1RM after the trial is finished, as well as getting another DEXA. Will probably run two logs concurrently while I am on this, my clean bulk log for the whole year, and the test booster log for the duration of the trial.

Would there be any problem in taking 1 capsule of test booster a day alone with 1 capsule of DIM?

Would not be a problem, but I would say you are under dosed, Do a search on Google re the supps and dosages, and you will find the recommended dosages are about spot on, on DIM you could even go more according to some studies out there.

I have been slack in updating this, but have finally decided to dig up the old thread.

I completed the three month course of supplements as described, I had blood tests done prior to starting any supplementation.

The results were not great Test was 8.7nmol/l (9.5-28 is normal range)

During the three months I noted my recovery seemed to improve, and my strength gains were good, (will add my gains a bit later to this post).

Retesting was done three months later

Results were 10.7nmol/l (9.5-28 is normal range), an improvement of 2.0nmol/l, not sure how good that is but it's heading the right way putting me back into the normal range.

My training did not really change and my diet remained constant.

Read into it what you will

Big Mick said:

I have been slack in updating this, but have finally decided to dig up the old thread.

I completed the three month course of supplements as described, I had blood tests done prior to starting any supplementation.

The results were not great Test was 8.7nmol/l (9.5-28 is normal range)

During the three months I noted my recovery seemed to improve, and my strength gains were good, (will add my gains a bit later to this post).

Retesting was done three months later

Results were 10.7nmol/l (9.5-28 is normal range), an improvement of 2.0nmol/l, not sure how good that is but it's heading the right way putting me back into the normal range.

My training did not really change and my diet remained constant.

Read into it what you will

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