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spartacus
Well-known member
Oni said
'A typical carb backloading post workout meal would be 500g of sugar and this is again bad for these reasons. All I am saying is to go easy on combining the carbs and the fats not that you should totally avoid it. You guys are very all-or-nothing'.
Sorry oni, I don't think anyone with reasonable knowledge would advocate 500g of sugar in one post workout meal.
I am with chocchillimango on this. A lot of it is just common sense, albeit there will be many variations on how people successfully diet or seek to put on weight/muscle.
BTW Oni, what is your weight now, you look like you have put on a lot of weight.
'A typical carb backloading post workout meal would be 500g of sugar and this is again bad for these reasons. All I am saying is to go easy on combining the carbs and the fats not that you should totally avoid it. You guys are very all-or-nothing'.
Sorry oni, I don't think anyone with reasonable knowledge would advocate 500g of sugar in one post workout meal.
I am with chocchillimango on this. A lot of it is just common sense, albeit there will be many variations on how people successfully diet or seek to put on weight/muscle.
BTW Oni, what is your weight now, you look like you have put on a lot of weight.
spartacus
Well-known member
to me, logic tells you it does not make sense and that some of Oni's points are right.
Carbs do spike insulin, and having already done your workout, why would you want so much energy (through sugar) which cannot be used quickly.
your body can only store so much glycogen in any case.
I realise there are many new theories, just like the social sciences and sciences, but some things seem more silly.
Now if people are interfering with extra hormones were they need 10,000-12,000 calories a day, then I know little and will admit I am out of my league.
But for a normal person, common sense can go a long way when interpreting basic nutritional knowledge.
Carbs do spike insulin, and having already done your workout, why would you want so much energy (through sugar) which cannot be used quickly.
your body can only store so much glycogen in any case.
I realise there are many new theories, just like the social sciences and sciences, but some things seem more silly.
Now if people are interfering with extra hormones were they need 10,000-12,000 calories a day, then I know little and will admit I am out of my league.
But for a normal person, common sense can go a long way when interpreting basic nutritional knowledge.
Show us all how "just doing whatever" is working out for you then bazza
I want to see how lean you are. Below 20% yet?
I'm eating less than ever yet still getting bigger as I grow leaner. Must be just the calories lol, nothing to do with timing or macros at all
Mate I don't think I have ever been above 20%.
Posted photos on here from a year or two ago you are welcome to find. Ill post more when I finish this cut in a month or two.
WarbyD
Cant Squat Kunce
I did the prep phase and dropped around 5.5kg (I'd say due to the big reduction in calories)... That put me at something like 950g carbs in a backload according to the book. FUCK THAT. I don't think I could down nearly a kilo of carbs in a night if I tried lol
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0ni
Registered Rustler
The way carb back loading is set up, is good for fat loss. It's mainly the reasons behind what Kiefer says I have the problems with.
If he called it "Carb back loading, it will keep you full and help you lose fat" then I wouldn't have a problem with it. But the whole manipulating insulin and GH thing, lol nope. Eat loads of carbs at night your insulin will still be high in the morning so the GH shit he talks about is bullshit. But I agree with his solution. And I would never eat high carbs with high fat on the regular. Twice a week if trying to gain muscular weight. Things like stews would be good but sugars in combination with starches and then fats (especially the polyunsaturates) is a great way to get fat.
Carb back loading is pretty much what women do through uni lol. Starve themselves all day, exercise then binge on comfort foods haha. It works but not because of what Kiefer says
Nutrient timing has its benefits for sure. Especially having high aminos around training time. Increasing insulin sensitivity is always a good thing. Nutrient Timing by Ivy explains it all very well so read that if you want to learn more. Natural Hormonal Enhancement by Rob Faigin also.
If he called it "Carb back loading, it will keep you full and help you lose fat" then I wouldn't have a problem with it. But the whole manipulating insulin and GH thing, lol nope. Eat loads of carbs at night your insulin will still be high in the morning so the GH shit he talks about is bullshit. But I agree with his solution. And I would never eat high carbs with high fat on the regular. Twice a week if trying to gain muscular weight. Things like stews would be good but sugars in combination with starches and then fats (especially the polyunsaturates) is a great way to get fat.
Carb back loading is pretty much what women do through uni lol. Starve themselves all day, exercise then binge on comfort foods haha. It works but not because of what Kiefer says
Nutrient timing has its benefits for sure. Especially having high aminos around training time. Increasing insulin sensitivity is always a good thing. Nutrient Timing by Ivy explains it all very well so read that if you want to learn more. Natural Hormonal Enhancement by Rob Faigin also.
Fadi
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It's time for some lateral thinking, thinking outside the box. You can try all that has been suggested to you so far, in addition to looking deeper to solve your issue.
What issue? Your fast metabolism issue, that's what. You need to apply the brakes just enough for your body to begin to conserve some of the energy you're pouring into it. A V8 HSV GTS sitting idling on the red light is gonna be sucking in more petrol (calories) than a 4 cylinder Toyota Yaris doing the same thing.
If you have some extra activities that you do outside of building muscles, then I'd suggest cutting back slightly on them. One hour cut back on (say) basketball , or whatever it is that you do outside of bodybuilding would make a tremendous difference in the way your metabolism functions. Compare it with bringing the engine idling down by few hundred revs a minute on that V8. Sure you may not notice it immediately, however every little bit adds up to the totality of what you're doing to increase your (mainly) solid bodyweight.
All the best.
Fadi.
Fadi
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There's no disputing that the more calories you expand in the way of exercising (more), the more demand for caloric intake your body would be seeking, hence the increased hunger. But now we find ourselves back at square one. Been there done that with huge calorie consumption. My only hope was to slow it down a bit.
The overweight majority are so, due to lack of exercise and general inactivity rather than an extravagant consumption of calories (based on their bodyweight). Again, we need to examine their behaviour and adjust the speed of their metabolism (by adding a structured exercise program and some extracurricular activities ) in order to burn those excess poundages they're carrying about their bodies.
Fadi.
