Repitition requirements

[0ni]

There is no most important Part. Without the other peices your training is useless

 

[thePoo2012]

Isn't that the basic principle of slow on the negative but power/explode up on the postiive that sportsmen generally use?

 

[thePoo2012]

There is no most important Part. Without the other peices your training is useless

I wondered when Oni might help enlighten..............can you elaborate please Oni

 

[0ni]

Also ive never heard of a guy get big from just doing negatives but a lot of olympic lifters do fine with no negatives whatsoever

 

[0ni]

I wondered when Oni might help enlighten..............can you elaborate please Oni

Well a negative wIthout decent bar weight or good range of motion is pointles...

 

[walt]

Also ive never heard of a guy get big from just doing negatives but a lot of olympic lifters do fine with no negatives whatsoever

olympic lifters do fine with no negatives, most of them lack muscle mass so there goes that argument

this is a bbing thread, just remember

 

[thePoo2012]

Sorry Oni, but training to increase poundage by using overloading of negatives, isn't that an old principle (a Weider principle I remember). Is that overloading the negative seen as too dangerous now?

 

[0ni]

I dont get what you're asking. I dont see the problem wIth overloading a negative at all as long as youre not stupid about it. Pre exhausting the muscle comes to mind. If the question was rephrased to what do you think should be EMPHASIZED then i would say the negative as that is where the most damage to proteins occurs. Ive seen lots of people get big with hndreds of different methods though. If youre looking to compete then it jus boils down to drugs as the most important thing

 

[thePoo2012]

Anyone?

 

[0ni]

olympic lifters do fine with no negatives, most of them lack muscle mass so there goes that argument

this is a bbing thread, just remember

Did you not watch the 105's in the olympics???
Lots of the cinese were jacked also

 

[GUZZLA]

It's impossible for Olympic lifters to train negatives in a multi compound movement like the power clean and jerk. You enter the world of 'partials' there, among other things. Or just training specific parts of the overall movement.

 

[D1cko]

I agree with Oni...what's the point in training a negative if it's 2 inch ROM...or with 5kg?? No one thing can work on it's own.

 

[walt]

Did you not watch the 105's in the olympics???

channel 9 never showed it

105 30% bodyfat

ahh whatever. this is just going to turn into another powerlifters vs bodybuilding debate. which is stupid because this is the bodybuilding section.

 

[0ni]

I tuink youre missing the main point im making and focusIng on minor details. Im just sayin that i think its redundant as you need fast bar speed increasing weight a slow negative and decent range of motion to get the best effect. Why focus on one thing when you can easily have all

 

[Goosey]

I dont get what you're asking. I dont see the problem wIth overloading a negative at all as long as youre not stupid about it. Pre exhausting the muscle comes to mind. If the question was rephrased to what do you think should be EMPHASIZED then i would say the negative as that is where the most damage to proteins occurs. Ive seen lots of people get big with hndreds of different methods though. If youre looking to compete then it jus boils down to drugs as the most important thing

"Pre exhausting the muscle comes to mind"
You're a funny young fella and a typical twenty year old

 

[0ni]

Oh man what just happened lmao

 

[0ni]

"Pre exhausting the muscle comes to mind"
You're a funny young fella and a typical twenty year old

Im just saying that performing heavy negatives above 1rm could be a ba idea and its much safer on the tendons to do thm when the muscle is tired so you need less weight

 

[Goosey]

Power lifters, olympics lifters train the way they do because of their sport, I'm fucking sick of this, get it into your thick heads.

They also program in "exercise" there is a difference.

 

[Brick]

Power lifters, olympics lifters train the way they do because of their sport, I'm fucking sick of this, get it into your thick heads.

They also program in "exercise" there is a difference.

Pump the brakes there big guy....

Sorry couldn't help myself

 

[thePoo2012]

I tuink youre missing the main point im making and focusIng on minor details. Im just sayin that i think its redundant as you need fast bar speed increasing weight a slow negative and decent range of motion to get the best effect. Why focus on one thing when you can easily have all

So that basic approach beginners are taught, slow on the negative and explode on the positive holds across most sports as ageneral training principle. But overloading the negative, too far above 1RM is considered dangerous?