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[fergienz]

Other way alex. More flex


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cheers. I don't understand though, wouldn't that make it harder to lift? I did notice alot of flex in the bar (when the loaders were putting 300+ on the bar the weights were still on the ground!)

I thought if the bar has more flex then the energy transfer is less effiecent - some power is lost by just bending the bar rather than moving it. Just like squatting in cushioned tennis shoes.

Or is this the point of the bar? (sorry like the previous poster, i'm very new to the sport and all its technicalities)

Saying that, I PB'd on my DL on saturday so i'm happy!

 

[TGM]

cheers. I don't understand though, wouldn't that make it harder to lift? I did notice alot of flex in the bar (when the loaders were putting 300+ on the bar the weights were still on the ground!)

I thought if the bar has more flex then the energy transfer is less effiecent - some power is lost by just bending the bar rather than moving it. Just like squatting in cushioned tennis shoes.

Or is this the point of the bar? (sorry like the previous poster, i'm very new to the sport and all its technicalities)

Saying that, I PB'd on my DL on saturday so i'm happy!

I'm just guessing here but if the bar flex's more it will be slightly easier for the first cm or two off the ground?

It might have been a bit thinner too.

It was definitely longer, I'd guess so you can fit more weight on.


BTW you're Alex right? Nice lifts on the weekend, were you an o-lifter beforehand?

 

[Spritcha]

More flex definitely makes it easier- its like a partial lift. A thinner bar is also easier to hold on to. I have trained with a deadlift bar before and I could lift more with it than with a standard eleiko.

cheers. I don't understand though, wouldn't that make it harder to lift? I did notice alot of flex in the bar (when the loaders were putting 300+ on the bar the weights were still on the ground!)

I thought if the bar has more flex then the energy transfer is less effiecent - some power is lost by just bending the bar rather than moving it. Just like squatting in cushioned tennis shoes.

Or is this the point of the bar? (sorry like the previous poster, i'm very new to the sport and all its technicalities)

Saying that, I PB'd on my DL on saturday so i'm happy!

 

[strong enough?]

cheers. I don't understand though, wouldn't that make it harder to lift? I did notice alot of flex in the bar (when the loaders were putting 300+ on the bar the weights were still on the ground!)

I thought if the bar has more flex then the energy transfer is less effiecent - some power is lost by just bending the bar rather than moving it. Just like squatting in cushioned tennis shoes.

Or is this the point of the bar? (sorry like the previous poster, i'm very new to the sport and all its technicalities)

Saying that, I PB'd on my DL on saturday so i'm happy!

The flex means you can build up a bit of speed before the bar leaves the ground and some "rebound" like the bottom of a squat. You're also effectively pulling the bar from about 1-2" higher, depending on how much the bar was loaded. For under 200kg I doubt it would make much difference.

The deadlift bars are also thinner, 27mm vs 29mm.

They are also longer...this is so they flex more.

 

[fergienz]

O Ok, yea that makes sense now.
Thanks guys.

So Oly bars usually have more flex in them right? Is more flex better or worse for squatting then? I suppose if you can try catch the 'bounce' it would be good?

BTW you're Alex right? Nice lifts on the weekend, were you an o-lifter beforehand?

Yip I'm Alex. thanks =D PB's across the board so I was happy.
Nup, straight into PL'ing. Why do you ask? A few people have asked me that?
Been weight training for about 2-3years, but PLing for about 10months now. Enjoying it, just always dogged by injuries (wrist, elbow, shoulder, and now my other shoulder) which reflects my weak bench

 

[TGM]

O Ok, yea that makes sense now.
Thanks guys.

So Oly bars usually have more flex in them right? Is more flex better or worse for squatting then? I suppose if you can try catch the 'bounce' it would be good?


Yip I'm Alex. thanks =D PB's across the board so I was happy.
Nup, straight into PL'ing. Why do you ask? A few people have asked me that?
Been weight training for about 2-3years, but PLing for about 10months now. Enjoying it, just always dogged by injuries (wrist, elbow, shoulder, and now my other shoulder) which reflects my weak bench

Ahh right, just though you might have been because you sort of look like one and had a huge squat and DL compared to your bench but the injury explains it.

 

[SQBDL]

More flex definitely makes it easier- its like a partial lift. A thinner bar is also easier to hold on to. I have trained with a deadlift bar before and I could lift more with it than with a standard eleiko.

Nah pretty sure specialised deadlift bars make it harder hey. The judging is stricter at CAPO too. You should probably come try it out sometime. Like if you want a challenge or whatever... Anytime is fine

 

[PTC]

that URL is broken

Powerlifting and the IPF were both around long before specialty deadlift bars.

I was genuinely interested in your opinion. Not everything is about feds and history. If it was all about history we would all still allow a reverse and underhand grips, which were commonplace but are now banned no matter where you compete. Surely people can discuss the pros and cons of different powerlifting rules on their merits?

The bar issue doesnt concern me, CAPO also use a 25kg thicker stiffer bar for squats.

It was the head moving or up on toes that I find petty big fella

ProRaw is about competition, not records. So if everybody competes with the same equipment, whats the problem.

For uniformity with records in international feds, then the same bar must be used.

This is ProRaw........get your gear off (Thanks Nathan Jones)

 

[Totalstrength]

More flex definitely makes it easier- its like a partial lift. A thinner bar is also easier to hold on to. I have trained with a deadlift bar before and I could lift more with it than with a standard eleiko.

Ah thats why when u see Andy Boltan deadlifting the bar bends like a mother fa

 

[180sx kid]

so whats the likely dates for the next 3 lift powerlifting dates markos so we can schedule it in to our programming ?

 

[PTC]

Definitely have one in September, replacing Bash at the Beach.

I'd like one around July, but equipped CAPO Nats are in August. Trying to fit in around other Feds is hard, the 2 Nats have stuffed me up.

Rep Challenge is definite on Easter Sunday.

 

[strong enough?]

It was the head moving or up on toes that I find petty big fella

You've misunderstood me, it wasn't a dig at all. I should have given more context to my question. What I should have asked is, do you think those bench rules makes any difference in the context of raw lifting? I mean, as I understand it and I could be wrong, those technical bench rules were brought in because of bench shirts. Take away the shirts and is lifting your head such a big issue? I think this is an interesting question with raw taking off everywhere.

ProRaw is about competition, not records. So if everybody competes with the same equipment, whats the problem.

Thanks for the explanation. This makes perfect sense.

 

[TGM]

ProRaw is about competition, not records. So if everybody competes with the same equipment, whats the problem.

That makes sense. No one is at an advantage/disadvantage if we're all using the same stuff.

For uniformity with records in international feds, then the same bar must be used.

Do international feds use something similar to the bar we used on the weekend or standard bars?

Also, how does the stiffer 25kg bar affect the squat? I've never felt a standard bar whip in the squat anywhere except up top, but that might just be because I'm not squatting heavy enough.

 

[Spritcha]

Nah pretty sure specialised deadlift bars make it harder hey. The judging is stricter at CAPO too. You should probably come try it out sometime. Like if you want a challenge or whatever... Anytime is fine

Haha- classic!!

 

[GHOSTrun]

Why is feet coming off the ground in a bench press a failed lift?

If your feet come off the ground it is off no benefit to you, as long as they don't touch the bench support I don't see why that should equal a failed lift.

I can see the point of the heels/feet needing to be (flat) on the ground to try and cut out the amount of arch people use, but is there anything that prohibits benching in spastically high heeled shoes that would allow the lifter to achieve the foot angle necessary for more arch yet still have heels remaining on the floor?

I have no desire to wear heels for benching or to bench with an arch, just making an example of how the rules seem a bit silly sometimes.

When I bench press in training I like to have my legs straight out just lying in front so it's purely upperbody pressing and no drive or support through the legs. I just find it dumb that I can't bench like this in competition as clearly it is no advantage to me but I'm used to it.

 

[strong enough?]

Why is feet coming off the ground in a bench press a failed lift?

If your feet come off the ground it is off no benefit to you, as long as they don't touch the bench support I don't see why that should equal a failed lift.

Good point. You could make the same point about some of the more technical rules like feet slipping in the squat. I don't know the actual reason but it could be a safety thing perhaps.

I can see the point of the heels/feet needing to be (flat) on the ground to try and cut out the amount of arch people use, but is there anything that prohibits benching in spastically high heeled shoes that would allow the lifter to achieve the foot angle necessary for more arch yet still have heels remaining on the floor?

In IPF, yes, there is such a rule. 5cm total height limit on the underside of the shoe. The shoe cannot be doctored from the original design. Indoor sports shoes only, no hiking boots. You have to submit your shoes in the equipment check.

 

[PTC]

You can use blocks to stand on in the BP, no need for modified shoes

 

[PTC]

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[PTC]

I have a very strong Tasmanian joining and an even stronger Queenslander.

The hydraulic squat racks are on the way.

Were going to need them.

 

[TGM]

This is just getting better and better hey.

Do you have an idea of what venue you might use for the next comp if PTC is out?