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DuffProteinMan
free weights > machines
and i quote my mate "i can come to yours and workout but i will need to go back to genesis to do the ab machine" i then continued to lecture him about how compound movements work the abs.
It sounds like you think machines are useless.. i disagree.
Sure most compound movements will hit the abs.. (thought you didn't care about abs bro), for some it might be enough stimulation for abs, others.. not enough. Me i do hanging leg raises/planks/ crunches sometimes, and it hits my abs harder than a squat would for me. In before im not squatting right..