Big Mick had to give it to you as you put a lot of effort into this conversation and it was a good discussion too. Please send me your details via PM.
All being quite similar and on a first in best dressed basis, Shrek send me your details and I'll send one out to you too.
Definitely some valid points here on both sides of the argument...supplements are 'supplements' to aid a good diet and training, and just like a Ab Roller won't give you abs by itself
definitely pertinent that we don't forget this as Bazza20 pointed out.
Thanks guys, look out for the next one.