I now believe in personal trainers

Nothing is useless.

A regular cadence during reps has built more muscle than every other type of rep combined.

Why do lifters try and reinvent the wheel?

If you know anything about training, then reading Poliquins principles will convince you that he is now an expert in _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Just when the forum had become not entirely hostile to PTs, Ceffo goes and throws money at this drongo. Great.

Ceffo saw his big juicy man vein and that was it!

I think this dude is having you on brother. By PhD he probably meant pretty hard dick.

For starters, two PhD's is an absolute mammoth accomplishment. And while sure, there's nothing wrong with working in a gym if you had one, or even two, it is much more likely that he'd either be lecturing, researching or working in a more high end environment.

I'm not one who's on the "trainers are shit brigade" (I myself have been one for years). There are some genuine trainers who are strong, aesthetically brilliant and academically talented (ie; myself). But, I do know what gyms are like, and the health and fitness industry is a sales and marketing industry (supplements renown for this).

Take a look at Poliquin. Sure, there man knows his stuff. But he goes into so much unnecessary snake oil detail to capture his followers and dazzle them with sometimes genuine quackery. I take supplements, sure. I think there are staples that can definitely assist you. But, i'm sorry, when you're pimping a supplement called "Fast Brain 2.0" you've shifted from being genuine in the health and fitness industry, to just another salesmen. And the problem is, people lap this shit up. They have absolutely no clue when it comes to science. They think they do, but they don't. It's easy to misinterpret studies and distort statistics.

As an example non related to health (but you see this ALL the time): I laughed when I was looking into buying a laptop for a friend. The bloke was trying to sell me one that was $450 more. The difference was (can't remember the exact details) one had a screen that was 1cm in thickness, the other was 1.5cm.

"This one is FAR better, the other screen is 50% thicker!!!". In the grand scheme of things, all bullshit in the name of sales.

Ben Goldacre puts in extremely concisely in the chapter "Why smart people believe stupid things". (The book "Bad Science". A worthwhile read for those who don't want to get conned by the bullshit in the health and wellness industry).

I think Polliquin is thinking retirement plan now so plays up the salesman side.

Ceffo any more sessions happened?

Minchia said:

I think this dude is having you on brother. By PhD he probably meant pretty hard dick.

For starters, two PhD's is an absolute mammoth accomplishment. And while sure, there's nothing wrong with working in a gym if you had one, or even two, it is much more likely that he'd either be lecturing, researching or working in a more high end environment.

I'm not one who's on the "trainers are shit brigade" (I myself have been one for years). There are some genuine trainers who are strong, aesthetically brilliant and academically talented (ie; myself). But, I do know what gyms are like, and the health and fitness industry is a sales and marketing industry (supplements renown for this).

Take a look at Poliquin. Sure, there man knows his stuff. But he goes into so much unnecessary snake oil detail to capture his followers and dazzle them with sometimes genuine quackery. I take supplements, sure. I think there are staples that can definitely assist you. But, i'm sorry, when you're pimping a supplement called "Fast Brain 2.0" you've shifted from being genuine in the health and fitness industry, to just another salesmen. And the problem is, people lap this shit up. They have absolutely no clue when it comes to science. They think they do, but they don't. It's easy to misinterpret studies and distort statistics.

As an example non related to health (but you see this ALL the time): I laughed when I was looking into buying a laptop for a friend. The bloke was trying to sell me one that was $450 more. The difference was (can't remember the exact details) one had a screen that was 1cm in thickness, the other was 1.5cm.

"This one is FAR better, the other screen is 50% thicker!!!". In the grand scheme of things, all bullshit in the name of sales.

Ben Goldacre puts in extremely concisely in the chapter "Why smart people believe stupid things". (The book "Bad Science". A worthwhile read for those who don't want to get conned by the bullshit in the health and wellness industry).

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While i agree with you... I find it funny that 1 persons talks shit about selling unceccisary "crap" when thats all that person seems todo.. Bad Science - Fighting Pseudoscience

How can i take this person seirously from the rest of them? He is another no my way is better i know it all... All in an attempt to sell books.

While i do agree that majority of studies statistics and rubbish is pathetic ( you do what works not based on what some reccomendation told you) i dont think what he does is much better in the grand scheme of things.

well session 2 today.. showed me leg supersets (but with 3 diff exercises)

Quads
1. Narrow stance ATG Squats x 6 reps (4 sec negative)
2. Then lunges x 12 reps (2 sec negative)
3. Then Leg presses x 25 reps (no negative just push it out)
(All this supersetted with each other)

Then rest 3min - repeat above 3 times.

I did this today and died by the 2nd round. Lactic acid was burning my legs.


Hammies (supersetted as below)
1. SLDL x 6reps (4 sec negative)
2. Leg curls x 25 reps (rep itout)
3. Calves x 20reps on the leg press


Nutrition - Mentioned something about zinc and alpha lipoic acid and digestion of foods.

Welll....at least you squatted.

n00bs said:

While i agree with you... I find it funny that 1 persons talks shit about selling unceccisary "crap" when thats all that person seems todo.. Bad Science - Fighting Pseudoscience

How can i take this person seirously from the rest of them? He is another no my way is better i know it all... All in an attempt to sell books.

While i do agree that majority of studies statistics and rubbish is pathetic ( you do what works not based on what some reccomendation told you) i dont think what he does is much better in the grand scheme of things.

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Give the book a whirl, and you'll see it's a worthwhile read.

Minchia said:

Give the book a whirl, and you'll see it's a worthwhile read.

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I intend to mate... But just as easy as ANYONE can distot the truth so can this person.

But i am open to everything.

I just dont like being called a quack because i try to help people..

n00bs said:

I intend to mate... But just as easy as ANYONE can distot the truth so can this person.

But i am open to everything.

I just dont like being called a quack because i try to help people..

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n00bs, I never called you a quack?? Anything I wrote was definitely not directed at anyone here personally. Confused?

Yes, anyone can distort the truth, but also, anyone is capable of seeing through bullshit with a bit of research. You'll find this book is well referenced, minus the unsubstantiated crap. There's no distorting of truth in it (he spends most of the time attacking those who have proifteered off the feeble minded), the entire basis of the book is teaching one how to be skeptical (having your baloney detector on), to see through marketing, sales, distorted statistics, misrepresented data etc. You know how many research papers i've read that were based on the abstract of 10 different journal articles? People often never critique methodology and other aspects of a paper, they'll read the abstract and conclusion and think "well, that proves that".

Another great book of this calibre is "The Demon Haunted World - Science As A Candle in The Dark". Not so much to do health, but a great read by one of the greatest minds of the 20th century (Carl Sagan). He shares the same principles when it comes to the supernatural, the unsubstantiated claims, and the reasons why people are gullible etc.

It's definitely noble when trying to help others, particularly if you're doing it for no personal gain other than to feel good about yourself. I take my hat off to anyone sincere enough to do this - so again, sorry if you misconstrued what I said as something personal to you? (Unless of course, you're selling a supplement called Fast Brain 2.0 )

No mate, was referring to the book bad science you linked me too, if you look back on the last page i posted a link...

Here it is again

sophisticated visual gag. | badscience.net

Like i said how can i take someone seirously when their goal is to rubbish a profession for no real reason except to make money for them selves via books and merchandise.

Also 1 thing you have to remember with studies is it goes both ways... The same way he can discredit something real world application can discredit him. I know his aim is at non "pharmacutical based" products butt hat is a bias in itself that is ridiculous that motivation makes me wonder what is behind the purpose of this?

Just because a study concludes blah blah doesnt actually mean that is what is... There are alot of things we dont know. So we focus on what works. I dont know of adouble blind placebo study of squats vrs leg press. Yet we know what works for begginers we just do it because its what is.

If you look in the current issue of LEF there is an article on a recent study done to discredit testosterone use. Basically old sick men got given 3 times the normal dosage with no moniter for e2 or no AI... Developed a lot of problems and it was concluded once again how evil testosterone is. Now that study has been cited by alot of others posted in the media.


It happens for both sides... My point i just because he can rubbish a study doesnt change the fact that in real life things are totally different and if everyone lived according to peer reviewed journal articles we might be 50years behind what is actually being done.

n00bs said:

No mate, was referring to the book bad science you linked me too, if you look back on the last page i posted a link...

Here it is again

sophisticated visual gag. | badscience.net

Like i said how can i take someone seirously when their goal is to rubbish a profession for no real reason except to make money for them selves via books and merchandise.

Also 1 thing you have to remember with studies is it goes both ways... The same way he can discredit something real world application can discredit him. I know his aim is at non "pharmacutical based" products butt hat is a bias in itself that is ridiculous that motivation makes me wonder what is behind the purpose of this?

Just because a study concludes blah blah doesnt actually mean that is what is... There are alot of things we dont know. So we focus on what works. I dont know of adouble blind placebo study of squats vrs leg press. Yet we know what works for begginers we just do it because its what is.

If you look in the current issue of LEF there is an article on a recent study done to discredit testosterone use. Basically old sick men got given 3 times the normal dosage with no moniter for e2 or no AI... Developed a lot of problems and it was concluded once again how evil testosterone is. Now that study has been cited by alot of others posted in the media.


It happens for both sides... My point i just because he can rubbish a study doesnt change the fact that in real life things are totally different and if everyone lived according to peer reviewed journal articles we might be 50years behind what is actually being done.

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Ah I see, yes Ben is good at pinching nerves. You'll see when you read the novel that he isn't rubbishing entire professions (well.. homeopathy gets a roosting, as it should) but you'll see some of them are pertinent to certain individuals who have down right conned people through fear and bullshit. I wouldn't let the comical apparel interfere with the substance of the novel

So I managed to get a link with an article on him.I was wrong his 90kg 7% bf year round


Stefan "The Lean Machine" Ianev Talks With Simplyshredded.com | SimplyShredded.com


In the group pic his the guy on the left with the massive shredded thighs

Hes in the 'aesthetic crew' huh...

Oliver04 said:

Hes in the 'aesthetic crew' huh...

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Looks like it.

Looks 110% better than most guys at that weight height.

Some say but I'm 100kg and 23% bf. That means your really 77kg lbm (dont weigh much now correct??


Btw I'm posting in the bb section here gents not Pl

Hmm, says he spent three years at uni.
That should be long enough to get 2 phd's right? They only take like 6-7years or so each

He's gone back to do more apparently since that article.

ceffo said:

Looks like it.

Looks 110% better than most guys at that weight height.

Some say but I'm 100kg and 23% bf. That means your really 77kg lbm (dont weigh much now correct??


Btw I'm posting in the bb section here gents not Pl

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I think he looks good. His knowledge of training seems quite poor though.

ceffo said:

He's gone back to do more apparently since that article.

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Sorry mate, but I think he's having you on.
The article was published in July of this year.
You don't go from completing a bachelor's degree (assuming because avg deg. is usually three years?) to multiple phd's in a few months.

Not putting him down, he may be great, but personally I'd prefer a trainer to be hired because of his merits, not some bullshit he concocts up in fantasy land