Do you mean 'do I do 150kg snatch pulls?
I have pulls every now and again. Tho my program is built on a 4 day schedule and i only get in 1-2 days....I miss a lot of work.
I think you know me too well now Peter, so you'll know that what I'm about to say has no salt or pepper on it, it's plain and simple really. I would not worry about the first pull... ever! Why do I say that Pete? Please take a look at the best of the best; at the cream de la cream in the sport of Olympic weightlifting, at the most powerful weightlifter of all time in my opinion. Have you guessed yet who I'm referring to Peter?fadi, I am struggling with being a little slow in my first pull....while the rest of the lift is fast. Would lighter[/I pulls fix this? By lighter I mean 90-100% of my max lift......
Because speed/explosiveness can not be maintained with a weight that is too heavy
Fadi.
Are you saying that maximal strength doesn't transfer over to speed/explosiveness?
I recently saw a video of klokov deadlifting 800 odd pounds for a triple with good form and I'm under the impression that if you can lift 800 with a straight back, 500 would be easy as fuck and feel light in comparison
then you ask me a question that does not relate to what I've said. I still stand by my comment that speed can not be maintained when the weight exceeds a certain percentage (which is usually about 10% or so over one's 1RM loverhead lift).Because speed/explosiveness can not be maintained with a weight that is too heavy
I don't doubt that for a second, but what are you infering from that observation, I hope you're not infering that Klokov lifts what he lifts because he can deadlift 800 odd pounds. Because let me tell you, there are many lifters who are just as good as Klokov without performing any deadlifts whatsoever!I recently saw a video of klokov deadlifting 800 odd pounds for a triple with good form and I'm under the impression that if you can lift 800 with a straight back, 500 would be easy as fuck and feel light in comparison
According to another thread Oni, you just said speed /explosiveness cant be improved, it's genetics....
According to another thread Oni, you just said speed /explosiveness cant be improved, it's genetics....
You quote me saying this: then you ask me a question that does not relate to what I've said. I still stand by my comment that speed can not be maintained when the weight exceeds a certain percentage (which is usually about 10% or so over one's 1RM loverhead lift).
Now coming directly to your question re the transference of strength to speed, I ave the following to say Oni:
Gaining strength would have to be one of the easiest if not the easiest element in the sport of weightlifting. However being stronger as a weightlifter does not transform or automatically equates with being a more powerful lifter (where strength is but one of several elements that go to make up an Olympic lift).
I’d just like to point out that the strongest squatters are not necessarily/usually the most powerful lifters in Olympic weightlifting. Perhaps having the strongest squat can be most beneficial in a sport that calls for a squat as part of the competition. Two sports that come to mind are the power lifting and the strong men competitions.
Antonio Krastev had a best front squat of 310kg, but could not get up with 255 and 257.5kg clean & jerks back at the 1987 Ostrava’s World Weightlifting Championships. Vasily Alexeev (the legend) on the other hand, a lifter who never squatted with more than 270kgs, had a best clean & jerk of 256kg.
At 17 years of age, I was Australian youth Champion back in the early 80s, I could squat as much if not more than the then senior Australian weightlifter in my category. But I sure as hell did not match his lifts in either the snatch or the clean and jerk. How can that be when I could very well match him with the pure strength exercise that is the squat?
Oni, I ask you according to your signature, which shows you dead lifting 182.5kg... how much can you clean and jerk based on the strength that you have lifting that 182.5kg?
Shane Hamman, whom I’m sure you’ve heard of, failed with 242.5kg clean & jerk at the Olympic Games in Athens. How can that be when this former powerlifter could squat with way over 400kg (458kg) and deadlift around the 335kg mark?
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I don't doubt that for a second, but what are you infering from that observation, I hope you're not infering that Klokov lifts what he lifts because he can deadlift 800 odd pounds. Because let me tell you, there are many lifters who are just as good as Klokov without performing any deadlifts whatsoever!
The thing here is one can do plenty of work with noting to show for it, or at least nothing to show for it where it really counts... on the Olympic weightlifting platform.
Look Oni, I'm really not here to convince you one way or the other mate. If you feel that getting as strong as can be is the way to go for lifting weights above your head like Olympic weightlifters do, then by all means carry on with that beleif. I won't interfere in the least.
All power (or strength as the case may be) to you mate.
Fadi.
Max effort clean pulling? I am using max effort clean pulling. In fact as I've already stated, I am (was) using 10% over my 1RM lift over head.I'd appreciate it if you could explain why max effort clean pulling (i'll call it that instead of deadlifting to imply that correct clean form is maintained, straight back and similar starting position etc) is a bad idea simply because speed/explosiveness is not maintained. If anything I'd argue that it is maintained as you can't lift a max weight slowly, despite the bar speed being slower.
Exactly.Yeah, quoting The Science and Practice of Strength Training, one of the most comprehensive strength training manuals that exist... What was I thinking!!
Exactly.
Stop quoting articles, stop looking for internet articles, stop over complicating everything and stop arguing with those who do more than read but have experience, especially people like Fadi who has actually been an Olympic lifter and now an accomplished bodybuilder.
Start eating, start training, start resting and start fucken listening.
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