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Surely the bloke doing quicker reps will reach the short term goal sooner and be able to up the weight?
 

The first thing I looked at there were the pictures of Coleman and Kon...
it is obvious to me that (and I've stated this before many times) you cannot make a draft horse out of a race horse and visa versa.

they both "train" towards a perceived ideal.

The differance between the two are dictated by how they look.

kon, has a very powerful looking physical body, Coleman could be just as strong but in some movements he would be unable to generate the same power or torque, due to his design.
 
So then if in 3 months time one bloke is lifting 100 x 10 and the other is lifting 75 x 10 at the slower cadence, who is stronger?
 
So then if in 3 months time one bloke is lifting 100 x 10 and the other is lifting 75 x 10 at the slower cadence, who is stronger?

This is were you miss the point.

"all things being equal"

In your little scenario, the bloke moving 70kg at a slower pace could possibly be stronger.

I guess I'm looking at lifting from a viewpoint of an older person, I'm looking back at my mistakes and things I've tried.

which really is the key here, for me that being trial and error, I don't think I'm elite, genetically I think I'm pretty average, I'm no body builder, I'm no powerlifter.

im pretty average like 95% of the population
 
I don't think I'm missing the point, it was a genuine question.
Who is stronger? And without them both testing a 1rm, how do you tell which is stronger?
Is a 1rm the only method of testing strength? Perhaps for a powerlifter but what if you're not?
 
I don't think I'm missing the point, it was a genuine question.
Who is stronger? And without them both testing a 1rm, how do you tell which is stronger?
Is a 1rm the only method of testing strength? Perhaps for a powerlifter but what if you're not?

To answer that you would first need to ask yourself why YOU workout?

Do you want to compete, in both events?

Or are you a "lifting hobbyist" that appreciates aspect of both sports?
 
Both train very differently, both looking at different outcomes.
as I've stated many times.

Although occasionally, one comes along that just excell in both, but that's not because of their training and eating practices.

Again that comes back to being subjective, if your into powerlifting, you look for that look, you are drawn to it, much like music, ac/dc versus Justin bieber, both plays the blues, just variations of it.
 
Here's another comparison, and we all love crossfit.

who is stronger?
and again all things being equal.

10 pull-ups
10 Kip's ?

one uses no momentum
 
I agree, no brainer
I would also assume the guy that can do them strict would also be able to knock out more than the kipper if they went to failure (strict or with momentum/kipping)
 

Good read. This is an interesting point.

 

That is true, but when I am maximising just my ability to lift weight, I'm making the muscles work as little as possible that's for sure
Just because of my general higher than average strength, my strength goes down in off season phases but I am stronger at repping
 

That's interesting, that's going to make me think, thank you
 
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