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CREATINE - Magic or Myth

Yes, always plenty of water.
Due to the size and hardness of the stone and the time it appeared my specialist is certain it is due to the several years of my creatine use. People can please themselves if they want to use creatine or not, Im just putting forward my experience over the last 12 mths and I would hate for anyone else to have to go through the same thing if it can be avoided. According to my urologist long term creatine use in athletes wrecks the kidneys and Im giving you guys my first hand experience of that.
 
adelcrow said:
Yes, always plenty of water.
Due to the size and hardness of the stone and the time it appeared my specialist is certain it is due to the several years of my creatine use. People can please themselves if they want to use creatine or not, Im just putting forward my experience over the last 12 mths and I would hate for anyone else to have to go through the same thing if it can be avoided. According to my urologist long term creatine use in athletes wrecks the kidneys and Im giving you guys my first hand experience of that.
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What do you mean by long term, how long?? And at first you said the creatine caused the kidney stones (just wondering what evidence there is of this), and now he stated it 'wrecks' the kidneys of athletes (again what evidence is there of this??)

You originally stated creatine caused the kidney stones, did your urologist diagnose creatine to be the cause before or after you told him you had been using it??

I would suggest after:cool:

I bet if you had not told him you been using creatine it would have been blamed on a million other things.

So what about the people who have never used creatine?? Where do their kidney stones come from???

I am genuinely interested as I been using creatine for many years on and off, and I am in my mid 40's. But I do not buy into these things without evidence, as doctors look for easy blame, creatine in this case.

Who is to say you would not have gotten the kidney stones even if you never had any creatine in your life?? I guess we will never know.
 
Kidney stones can be caused by a million and one things. My dad is on MSN at the moment (GP) and I asked him what can cause a kidney stone. Not going to even bother listing them because there are so many different causes..

There is also no physiological way that creatine can cause a kidney stone
 
SmallFry said:
Make sure your getting Quality Creapure Creatine. Its the cleanest, highest quality creatine out there. Honestly if it doesn't have the german Creapure logo or tradmark I won't use it. I use ON (optimum nutrition) micornized creatine monohydrate at the moment.
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Well that's fucking dumb...
 
I have been taking Creatine twice a day for 2 years now.

Earlier this year I had an ultrasound on all my organs in an attempt to identify the cause of random stomach pains (Which are now gone) and I didn't have any kidney stones.

It doesn't mean much, just sharing my exp with 2 years of Creatine.
 
Ive just started taking creatine and im wondering if I should cycle it or not? Lots of different information online and I didnt notice anything mentioned in this thread. Should I cycle it or do I just take it daily and not worry about it? Every website has different ideas such as loading for 5 days, than maintain for 4 weeks, 4 weeks off another one goes 2 weeks on, 1 week off etc
 
I take it daily, 5gram, some people cycle it some don't, I don't think it matters either way.
 
Romie said:
Ive just started taking creatine and im wondering if I should cycle it or not? Lots of different information online and I didnt notice anything mentioned in this thread. Should I cycle it or do I just take it daily and not worry about it? Every website has different ideas such as loading for 5 days, than maintain for 4 weeks, 4 weeks off another one goes 2 weeks on, 1 week off etc
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Once you have done your loading phase - 20 grams per day for 5 days. Simply continue with the maintenance serving of 5 grams per day. No cycling needed ;) It ain't no AAS. :D
 
I'll put in my 5 cents on this..

There is a lot of clinical evidence for it however there a things that you may need to know:
  • your body produces its own creatine, hence when you supplement your body will reduce its own levels via negative feedback
  • Non-responders tend to have higher than normal levels, the only way to find out is to supplement or via a muscle biopsy which can get expensive
  • Muscles store creatine.. loading is essential.. whether you do a gradual load or intensive load doesn't really matter
  • in theory creatine should be better supplemented prior to workouts.. increasing ATP, etc. however best results in studies suggest supplementing post workout
  • Creatine monohydrate is fine.. you don't need anything wizz bang here..
  • water retention is pretty common.. approx 3 grams of water is retained with every gram of creatine.. hence the 2-5kg first week gain.. however strength and size do follow
  • creatine of course is used primarily in the creatine phosphate energy system and used with most benefit for strength/power based training phases..
  • Good trials in the NSCA using beta alanine combined with creatine monohydrate
    • Remember your body makes it too as well as getting it from food.. so the longer the cycle the longer it takes for you body to get back up to speed..

    Personally i always go for the 3-5 day load with 5 grams at each dose 4-5 times per day (20-25grams in total) with some juice, although OJ can irritate the bowels a little.. i increase my water intake and then hit my maintenance dose of 5 grams per day.. post workout on workout days in post workout shake.. Just some plain ol creatine mono.. $30 last 12 weeks if i really wanted to drag things out.. but tend to keep it short and sharp.. 4 on.. 4-6 off..

    Good luck guys!
 
Creatine Mono does not give me any bloat at all, either non responder to it or not prone to the bloat or theres no sodium in the bulk nutrients one
 
staunch308 said:
Creatine Mono does not give me any bloat at all, either non responder to it or not prone to the bloat or theres no sodium in the bulk nutrients one
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I'm the same, I get little 'bloat' from Creatine. But with that in mind the amount of water retention will be minimal anyway. As JDY's article pointed out you get 3 grams of water retention per gram of creatine. So on that once you are on maintenance, the amount of water retention is only 15 grams extra 'water weight' from the supplemented creatine.

I think most people forget or over look that for the most part is the carbohydrate consumption that is the most contributing factor to the water retention. Either due to the dietary intake (most take creatine during a 'bulk') or the extra carbohydrate in the creatine product.

I take creatine all year round. Every study has not shown any long term negative effects on internal organs in healthy individuals etc
 
I have been getting my 5g of creatine mono down by stirring it into half a small glass of lemonade. Fizzes up like a berrocca and is easy to get down. No science behind it. Just an idea that worked for me :)

Seems to work to help workouts. I tend to get another couple of reps out on every exercise. No real urge to up my poundages or anything. Volume capacity seems up. Also the pump is rather full on. I woke up with dead hands after doing triceps. Had to shake them all around to get the feeling back in them. Don't know what that was all about.
 
I've been taking creatine tri-malate for a few months now. From what I can tell from reading this thread from start to finish, hardly anyone on here uses it? I've got strength gains and weight gains from it, but am wondering if monohydrate is better? Im not loading or taking daily doses, only pre-workout. Doesn't make me bloat or make me overly thirsty. Is anyone else here on tri-malate?
 
PureSuppPowders said:
You should be taking creatine with a very sweet drink, grape juice etc. as the sugar acts as transport for the creatine and increases uptake.

You should notice significant weight gain. Typically, 2 - 5kg in 7 days. If not, you are either one of the few non responders or (and much more likely) you have bad product.

Additionally, a lot of big name brands and places like GNC will rip you off for creatine. If you can get 1kg of creatine monohydrate (99% purity, pharma grade, micronised) from us for $16 you can imagine the kind of margins they have on it.
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I have been taking WIP pre-workout but creatine was suggested as a more effective 'boost'. Unlike a lot of trainers, I don't want weight gain, I have plenty of weight but bodyfat to go with it. Will creatine monohydrate really result in such weight gains?:confused:
 
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