Bro Science

Mahoney said:

Over what their maintenance actually is. Hence the obesity. Formulae aren't worth crap and the problem.

Taubes and all those whack jobs seem to neglect that if the average person who cuts carbs from their diet are going to be cutting massive amounts of calories too.

In Wolf's paleo book he spends ages on "calories don't matter" etc etc. Then he lays out meal plans with food quantities, basically giving you a meal plan with the exact number of calories. Amazing people get ripped on the 1500 calorie plans he provides.

I'm not saying too many carbs aren't a problem, but its not just the carbs fault. You can't eat over maintenance and lose weight (unless keto due to that inefficiency, and that is only theoretical), just as you can't eat under it and gain. Of course "carbs can make you very fat" but so can fat and protein.

I also love that you referenced Lyle, when he would could not disagree with you're initial statements more.

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n00bs said:

I have a client currently who we have tried most things to loose body fat. If this person ate "maintenance" of proteins / carbs it became almost impossible to see progress.. Increase fats lower carbs same protein same overall calories and bodyfat comes off.. AMAZING!

I am the first to admit we dont know enough about the human body we are only simply touching the iceberg with our current knowledge but we dont disregard things we see in everyday lfie because i cant google pub med for the specific sentence in the title of a study that i am looking for.

We cant forget real world results even if we truly dont understand them..

I am interested in other peoples opinions if insulin has nothing to do with it and it is only calories if how simply changing macros up and lowering insulin someone can have substantial fatloss as oposed to other methods.

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Mahoney said:

You do realize that someone losing or gaining weight is NOT eating at maintenance by definition? Im not an idiot...

As far as insulin goes it gets complicated due to co-digestion. Some aminos and proteins are more insulinogenic than carbohydrates. Should we eliminate protein too? This point has been brought forward for diabetics and there are people on both sides of the fence..

There is an excellent piece in the Oct 2008 AARR worth checking out. "Insulin can suppress fatty acid oxidation on a micro-level under certain conditions. However, under hypocaloric conditions, these micro-effects cannot and do not develop into macro-effects." Ill have a read thanks

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Bazza20 said:

Organic food, dangers of pasteurized milk = bro/hippy science.

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gongi_meter said:

this forum is the epicentre of broscience

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n00bs said:

Seriously are you 3?

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GHOSTrun said:

Greenpeace broscience, check this out!

YouTube - Lord Monckton Totally Destroys Global Warming & Greenpeace!

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gongi_meter said:

this forum is the epicentre of broscience

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GHOSTrun said:

So, if something works, but isn't backed up by science, does that make it wrong or not worthy?

Classic example is how science says the body can't use more than 30g of protein in one sitting, yet all the big guys are eating far more than 30g protein in one sitting....and...they....are....big...

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n00bs said:

Thats why its funny when you have real world experience of something, say insulin sensetivity and a diet with a little literiture to back you up and understanding of other hormones, then some 1 random study comes in that might not of even been well implemented and all of a sudden your real life research has no merit.

Then 12months goes by and your view is then the correct one beacuase research has caught up to what is going on.

This is what shits me... Not the lack of knowledge but the bullshit in between.

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n00bs said:

Also remember that when recruiting people for trials they exclude all the people that those trials become relevant for...

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n00bs said:

The problem is "science" defines something then turns around and says the fucking opposite so what was it?

Im not saying it is useless im saying these people that winge about oh i have an article disproving all your infomation when they cant even comprehend the subject shits me.

Imagine 5 years ago having an argument regarding brain cells and neurogenesis. It is totally irrelivent to what we have today. Yet those people basing their opinion on other peoples research from then would take it to the grave.

Thats why its funny when you have real world experience of something, say insulin sensetivity and a diet with a little literiture to back you up and understanding of other hormones, then some 1 random study comes in that might not of even been well implemented and all of a sudden your real life research has no merit.

Then 12months goes by and your view is then the correct one beacuase research has caught up to what is going on.

This is what shits me... Not the lack of knowledge but the bullshit in between.

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TGM said:

I think that's a large problem with many studies done on strength training, they use whatever untrained male is hanging around the campus as a subject and so everything they do works to a degree because they aren't working with athletes.




As far as I can tell the most recent journal articles are starting to agree with the information I usually see you post. Something to keep an eye on over the next few years.

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An epigenetic eating regimen uses specific food compounds to prevent cancer or Alzheimer's disease, University of Alabama at Birmingham researchers said.
Study co-author Trygve Tollefsbol said epigenetics research worldwide, including numerous studies conducted at the University of Alabama, have identified specific food compounds found in food such as broccoli and cabbage inhibit negative epigenetic effects that can help reverse or help prevent cancers and other aging-related diseases.
"Your mother always told you to eat your vegetables, and she was right," Tollefsbol said in a statement. "But now we better understand why she was right -- compounds in many of these foods suppress gene aberrations that over time cause fatal diseases."
The epigenetics diet includes such foods as soybeans, cauliflower, broccoli, cabbage, green tea, fava beans, kale, grapes and the spice turmeric, Tollefsbol said.
"The epigenetics diet can be adopted easily, because the concentrations of the compounds needed for a positive effect are readily achievable," lead author Syed Meeran said.
Meeran said sipping tea compounds called polyphenols in daily amounts that are equivalent to approximately three cups of green tea has been shown to reverse breast cancer in laboratory mice by suppressing the gene that triggers the disease. A daily cup of broccoli sprouts, which has sulforaphane as an active compound, has been shown to reduce the risk of developing many cancers, Tollefsbol said.
The review is published in the journal Clinical Epigenetics.

Copyright United Press International 2011

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bro said:

P.S. science does not say this.

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GHOSTrun said:

I have been trawling these kind of forums for years and have seen plenty of people who believe that the body can only use 30g protein in one sitting and anymore is wasted and they have provided "scientific" evidence to support it. Personally I think it's a load of shit, as common sense (to me anyway) would dictate a larger person is going to need more protein than a smaller person and it's not a one-size-fits-all-thing. It was just the first thing that sprang to mind as an example, I'm sure I'm not the only person who has come across this sort of 'info' being posted?

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A Massachusetts doc, who is also a former member of Pfizer Inc.’s speakers’ bureau, is accused of launching what is being called "one of the biggest research frauds in medical history," according to The Day of New London. And he has agreed to plead guilty, according to a Massachusetts newspaper.
Dr. Scott Reuben, who is accused of faking medical research studies, including some that were published in medical journals, was charged with health care fraud Thursday in federal court in Boston, according to the U.S. Department of Justice.

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