Slightly off-topic and this is just opening up a discussion but why have we always been in the train of thought that these sort of plans are suited to beginners when really the squat and deadlift (and bench to a degree) are prob some of the most advanced/high risk exercises? and 5 x 5 at that which is hugely taxing/ harder to stick with correct form....I understand that people could seek advice on form but alot of newbies dont/cant - wouldnt a 5 day - 6 day bodybuilding style split be more a beginner program than this?
Dont go blastin just opening up a convo....
Completely understand where you're coming from. I think they've been grouped as beginner routines due to the fact that they're renowned for putting on mass and strength in large doses compared to the typical bb/isolation type training but really they should be more of an intermediate routine and something more like PTC's beginner program of 3x8 should be adopted by most pretty much until you plateau and your form is nailed.
As a beginner though, you could probably train just about any style, as long as your diet is on track and you get plenty of rest then you'll make gains. How you compare someone on a 5x5 to a bb style is hard as everyone will get something different out of both types.
My thoughts.
The lifts arnt that hard to learn. Why not learn them from the start. Doing a heap of other bodybuilding crap first isn't going to make learning the squat easier.
Bodybuilding style split. beginners are so weak that once that initial doms had gone they could do a session in the morning and be right to do it again in that afternoon. Waiting a week between workouts as in a bb split is just wasted time for someone starting out.
I don't mind 5 reps for beginners. You are not doing balls out 5 rep nose bleed sets for a beginner. It's easier to keep form for 5 reps rather than 10.
5x5 is still part of my routine. Probably always will be in some way.
Well done, some people never get a 120 bench even after years of training. Took me a shit load longer than 9 months.I just like to argue Shrek, and it was fun seeing 0ni being the one who was getting mad for a change. I know people like 0ni in real life, and the chances of changing their thinking
Maybe I have a warped idea of what's 'strong'.
Took me 9 months to go from 40kg to 120kg bench doing PTC Beginner (which was incidentally how I found AusBB), the version posted here is much better than the original version in the newsletter IMO. That was eating at a cut due to being a fatass though as well.
I asked Markos about 5x5 initially, because that's most often recommended around the internet for beginners (didn't know about Starting Strength at the time), he replied that beginners (in terms of weight lifted) don't have the power to get the most out of it. That said, I did use 5x5 to break my squat plateau on the program.
There's more to an intermediate lifter than a good bench...how are they progressing on Squats/deads?
What's your physical stats @bozodos ;?
This is a good philosophy.....
"Pete kept some of the things he liked, and discarded some of the things he didn't"
In fact that entire article just says what I have been saying all along lmao
"This is why a training philosophy far outweighs "routines". Routines are just that. Routines. Principles and ideologies BUILD the routine. Not the other way around"
"Pete kept some of the things he liked, and discarded some of the things he didn't"
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