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1. and?
2. You used high powerlifters for your argument
come on,
when your on stage, the judges don't ask if you deadlift.
AusPL.
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1. I'll bet they deadlifted in their early days.
2. Never use pro bb'ers as comparisons.
1. and?
2. You used high powerlifters for your argument
come on,
when your on stage, the judges don't ask if you deadlift.
AusPL.
And as I said, they're not necessary, but you'd be stupid not to do them. And for the most part, people who don't do them are either stupid or are just being a pussy. Further, if you've 100% proven to yourself that they do not give you the gains you need then there is also no need to do them.
And just for the record, I'm lifetime natty and compete natty, so my example still stands.
Pistach is right 3 people don't make a correlation but you dont see many people that deadlift around 300 who have a poorly developed back, PEDs or not.
1. Early days, early development.
2. We've all deadlifted consistently from the early stages of our training.
3. That's irrelevant.
4. I started as a "bodybuilder" thank you very much.
Yup I know you are mate.
Personally I can't imagine ever not doing them.
Bazz, do you think there is a big difference between 250 and 300?
Reason I ask, is that I would still say that I have a reasonably poorly developed back (not lumpy, virtually non-existant traps).
Yup I know you are mate.
Personally I can't imagine ever not doing them.
Bazz, do you think there is a big difference between 250 and 300?
Reason I ask, is that I would still say that I have a reasonably poorly developed back (not lumpy, virtually non-existant traps).
SO does this take us back to old arguement about reps ranges for strength training compared to bodybuilding...
Yeah I think so. Going from 250 - 300 is a big step and I've seen more development from getting past 250.
Regarding traps. Heavy power shrugs would be my advise. You should eventually work up to weights of 50kg over your max dead for 10+ reps. They make your traps grow like crazy and you know if you have done them right because you get the worst DOMs for days.
Mate, did you end up getting those straps, my back has grown a bit since I started usin them. Use for nearly all back exercises, especially pull ups.
As genetics play a large role in how your body responds to exercise I'm going to tell you that the dead-lift as a back builder is probably not necessary to a bodybuilder but desirable as bazza20 writes.
I'm just going to throw this in for thought.
The traditional notion is that rows build thickness and chins build width. Really it's more chins build lats and rows build the rest of the back.
To me nothing beats chins for the lats, period. But, they can be rough on the shoulders, especially for heavier people.
Rows are good for the whole back, including the lats.
It's a mistake to take rows and try to make them more of a lat exercise.
The whole back needs work to get really strong, and they'll help the shoulders stay healthy too.
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The squat has always been the keystone to my workouts and although I managed 5x5 for 200kg when younger I always cycled between the deadlift SLDL TBDL and leg-press, I squatted twice a week but never dead-lifted more than once a week.
I still squat a lot, but I can no longer dead-lift.
I don't think heavy dead-lifting over 5 rep's is wise.
Just my thoughts, it might not answer anything for you.
I actually dont think there would too many on here which would be close to 150.......
I actually dont think there would too many on here which would be close to 150.......
I know girls who rep 150... just sayin.
Why does this have to be so complicated.
Do you need to deadlift? No, Should you deadlift? Yes.
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