Are Deadlifts necessary for a Bodybuilding routine?

[walt]

1. I'll bet they deadlifted in their early days.
2. Never use pro bb'ers as comparisons.

1. and?
2. You used high powerlifters for your argument

come on,
when your on stage, the judges don't ask if you deadlift.

AusPL.

 

[Bazza20]

Pistach is right 3 people don't make a correlation but you dont see many people that deadlift around 300 who have a poorly developed back, PEDs or not.

 

[Bench Polkov]

1. and?
2. You used high powerlifters for your argument

come on,
when your on stage, the judges don't ask if you deadlift.

AusPL.

1. Early days, early development.
2. We've all deadlifted consistently from the early stages of our training.
3. That's irrelevant.
4. I started as a "bodybuilder" thank you very much.

 

[pistachio]

And as I said, they're not necessary, but you'd be stupid not to do them. And for the most part, people who don't do them are either stupid or are just being a pussy. Further, if you've 100% proven to yourself that they do not give you the gains you need then there is also no need to do them.

And just for the record, I'm lifetime natty and compete natty, so my example still stands.

Yup I know you are mate.

Personally I can't imagine ever not doing them.

Pistach is right 3 people don't make a correlation but you dont see many people that deadlift around 300 who have a poorly developed back, PEDs or not.

Bazz, do you think there is a big difference between 250 and 300?

Reason I ask, is that I would still say that I have a reasonably poorly developed back (not lumpy, virtually non-existant traps).

 

[walt]

1. Early days, early development.
2. We've all deadlifted consistently from the early stages of our training.
3. That's irrelevant.
4. I started as a "bodybuilder" thank you very much.

Oh well.
I still will leave deadlifts out because
d) I'm a pussy

 

[jj80]

I have found the military press develops traps more than deadlifts.. at least for me, so far. But possibly cause I don't deadlift that heavy (yet )

 

[DREADLIFT]

In regards to building a big back without deadlifts....

...yes it can be done. Just like building a house out of timber... It will be large and grand and all will notice you have a really nice house...


...but with deadlifts and other movements involving picking heavy shit up off the ground, its like building your house out of stone. It may look similar to.the timber house from a distance but up close is much denser, thicker and sturdy, a quality the timber house cannot.imitate.

 

[Bazza20]

Yup I know you are mate.

Personally I can't imagine ever not doing them.



Bazz, do you think there is a big difference between 250 and 300?

Reason I ask, is that I would still say that I have a reasonably poorly developed back (not lumpy, virtually non-existant traps).

Yeah I think so. Going from 250 - 300 is a big step and I've seen more development from getting past 250.

Regarding traps. Heavy power shrugs would be my advise. You should eventually work up to weights of 50kg over your max dead for 10+ reps. They make your traps grow like crazy and you know if you have done them right because you get the worst DOMs for days.

 

[bradsky]

Yup I know you are mate.

Personally I can't imagine ever not doing them.



Bazz, do you think there is a big difference between 250 and 300?

Reason I ask, is that I would still say that I have a reasonably poorly developed back (not lumpy, virtually non-existant traps).

Mate, did you end up getting those straps, my back has grown a bit since I started usin them. Use for nearly all back exercises, especially pull ups.

 

[0ni]

power shrugs are awesome

 

[Figjam Brah]

Squats and milk boys.




wait.. bb section...










Squats and milk boys.......

 

[TrentZor]

SO does this take us back to old arguement about reps ranges for strength training compared to bodybuilding...

There is no real argument. Its commonly known and studies do show that doing higher reps 8-12 = hyperthophy (along with TUT 2-1 ratio) and low reps 3-5 = strength

But in saying that having done strength for squat back dead rep ranges
then bodybuilding 8-12 rep ranges (with 2-1 tempo) the size has come back significantly.

A pure PL program has these but the tempo (TUT) is generally not as slow.
Which i believe is the key here.

 

[pistachio]

Yeah I think so. Going from 250 - 300 is a big step and I've seen more development from getting past 250.

Regarding traps. Heavy power shrugs would be my advise. You should eventually work up to weights of 50kg over your max dead for 10+ reps. They make your traps grow like crazy and you know if you have done them right because you get the worst DOMs for days.

Cheers mate, will look into it.

Mate, did you end up getting those straps, my back has grown a bit since I started usin them. Use for nearly all back exercises, especially pull ups.

Yeah I did, only use them for shrugs atm.

 

[judgey]

As genetics play a large role in how your body responds to exercise I'm going to tell you that the dead-lift as a back builder is probably not necessary to a bodybuilder but desirable as bazza20 writes.

I'm just going to throw this in for thought.

The traditional notion is that rows build thickness and chins build width. Really it's more chins build lats and rows build the rest of the back.

To me nothing beats chins for the lats, period. But, they can be rough on the shoulders, especially for heavier people.

Rows are good for the whole back, including the lats.

It's a mistake to take rows and try to make them more of a lat exercise.

The whole back needs work to get really strong, and they'll help the shoulders stay healthy too.

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The squat has always been the keystone to my workouts and although I managed 5x5 for 200kg when younger I always cycled between the deadlift SLDL TBDL and leg-press, I squatted twice a week but never dead-lifted more than once a week.

I still squat a lot, but I can no longer dead-lift.

I don't think heavy dead-lifting over 5 rep's is wise.

Just my thoughts, it might not answer anything for you.

Chins

Is there a reason for chins, as opposed to pullups? Assuming there isn't a big difference. I couldn't agree more about the lat builder comment. I started doing pullups in about March/April this year. I've had more growth since March with pullups than I've had in 7 years from pulldowns. And I've only been onto weighted pullups for a couple of weeks.

Deadlifting (back on topic)

At any weight is it a good idea to go past 5-6 reps? Your form inevitably begins to slip and the issues with that only grows as the weight increases.

 

[Semillon]

I actually dont think there would too many on here which would be close to 150.......

Huh? Any bloke who works on their squat for 3-12 months will be able to deadlift 150 for reps...

 

[Bench Polkov]

I actually dont think there would too many on here which would be close to 150.......

I know girls who rep 150... just sayin.

 

[BigJim]

I know girls who rep 150... just sayin.

Aww shucks, im embarrased.

Thank you for thinking of me freako. Im glad im on your mind

 

[PTCPerth]

Why does this have to be so complicated.

Do you need to deadlift? No, Should you deadlift? Yes.

 

[Goosey]

Why does this have to be so complicated.

Do you need to deadlift? No, Should you deadlift? Yes.

Do I need a belt?

 

[Darkoz]

The original question got lost in translation