A result of your environment

[Stiffy]

you think; if they squat they'll be better footballers?

be better jostling in the pack under the high ball wouldn't they Goosey? All that extra core and hip strength.

 

[Goosey]

be better jostling in the pack under the high ball wouldn't they Goosey? All that extra core and hip strength.

I love the squat, it's the best exercise, but squatting is not going to make an average player first class, hell, they'll most likely do it wrong and injure themselves permanent.

 

[White_Lie]

Know a couple of guys that travel every week getting more in the country than WAFL clubs. Haven't spoken to them since they made the move this season but were on 700-800 prior, so I'd assume it's close to a grand a match.

 

[bozodos]

you think; if they squat they'll be better footballers?

no idea, it was just an observation of how they train, but I can't see how squatting would hurt a footballer of any code.

 

[Kyle Aaron]

They'd get less hamstring injuries.

 

[El Testicle]

Ghey F L

 

[White_Lie]

Might get too massif ?

 

[Goosey]

They'd get less hamstring injuries.

Yeah, not too sure on that Kyle, I reckon there are more effective exercises for the ham's that can be easily taught and coached.

 

[Arfwit]

Easier than sit down and stand up again?

 

[canned tuna]

Aren't deadlifts supposed to be a great carryover for footy players for tackle power? (rugby, not afl where you run up and hug the guy)

 

[0ni]

Both squats and deadlifts would massively increase performance all over the field in pretty much every sport and work very well for injury prevention

The main thing is players stretching before a game or practice and then sprinting or tackling. The body isn't used to developing force in that range of motion and shit gets fucked up
Enter squats and deadlifts.

 

[Bazza20]

Improve performance for footy. Yes probably. Massively. Lol. no.

 

[0ni]

Prove it

 

[0ni]

The Block Training System of Middle Distance Endurance Athletes by Yuri Verkhoshansky and Supertraining by Dr. Mel Siff both show include a few decades of Soviet performance research on athletes that show squatting twice bodyweight markedly increased performance and injury prevention in most sports from running, cycling, swimming to field games such as soccer and hockey

 

[Bazza20]

Things that will massively improve your game in footy are:
Improving your skills
Knowing how to read the play
Endurance.


Lifting weights will likely help but is secondary to those in afl . Most afl players are weak as piss and still superstar players.

Also. I'm pretty sure I have that book in my bookshelf somewhere.

I used to read Dr. Verkhoshanskys forum when he was still alive.

 

[Rugby88]

Sport in Australia is fairly backwards compared to some other places when it comes to Strength and Conditioning - it have very much focused on "natural talent" and on field aspects of a game/sport - which has seen a slight decline in Australian Sports Performance at an International level (and even a grass roots/club level in alot of sports) - we have found it hard to develop athletes past that natural talent point - or as other countries do take a good athlete and make them great. We have seen a slight change over the last 18-24 months - but there is still huge steps to take to get to the level of Strength and Conditioning of other nations.

Lets just put it this way if America had the natural talent to play Rugby Union as Australia did - combined with their Strength and Conditioning programs I think we could be in trouble. Thankfully talent wise they are prob still 10 years behind us but gaining fairly fast.

This isnt a new issue though in Australian Sport - Strength and Conditioning for Athletes was put on the backburner in front of "on-field" style training - which is a must and is needed - but from a performance point of view and also extending the playing life of an athlete there needs to be more focus on the strength and conditioning - most teams know this now - but still fairly newish within Australia. With better nutrition and strength and conditioning in 10-15 years time it prob wont be strange to see a bigger pool of players in league/union/AFL - being 35-40 years old and still playing.

 

[Bazza20]

Sport in Australia is fairly backwards compared to some other places when it comes to Strength and Conditioning - it have very much focused on "natural talent" and on field aspects of a game/sport - which has seen a slight decline in Australian Sports Performance at an International level (and even a grass roots/club level in alot of sports) - we have found it hard to develop athletes past that natural talent point - or as other countries do take a good athlete and make them great. We have seen a slight change over the last 18-24 months - but there is still huge steps to take to get to the level of Strength and Conditioning of other nations.

Lets just put it this way if America had the natural talent to play Rugby Union as Australia did - combined with their Strength and Conditioning programs I think we could be in trouble. Thankfully talent wise they are prob still 10 years behind us but gaining fairly fast.

This isnt a new issue though in Australian Sport - Strength and Conditioning for Athletes was put on the backburner in front of "on-field" style training - which is a must and is needed - but from a performance point of view and also extending the playing life of an athlete there needs to be more focus on the strength and conditioning - most teams know this now - but still fairly newish within Australia. With better nutrition and strength and conditioning in 10-15 years time it prob wont be strange to see a bigger pool of players in league/union/AFL - being 35-40 years old and still playing.

I agree there is benefit in a strength program for afl but just don't expect there to be massive improvements from it.

It's doesn't matter how strong you are if you can't get the ball.

I don't really agree about seeing a heap of players 35-40 years old playing. It's the continuous damage from the physical contact that finishes a lot of blokes off in the end. Strength training won't help that.

With more guys strength training and bigger the hits would be harder and probably finish careers even earlier. Plus more training isn't going to help prolong careers either. At afl level the older blokes struggle to complete the standard training as it is.

 

[Goosey]

I also believe there is great benefit in a well designed strength building program, well designed program is tailored for the athlete to biuld balanced strength around the joint, I believe that if the muscles around the joint are not balanced, this can be a contributing factor to injury on the field.

if an athletes focus is only on the squat, deadlift and bench press, then strength imbalance can occur.
placing all players on a "cookie cut" template is a bad idea.

i don't believe modern day strength coaches focus is based on designing templates to minimize injury on the field, they believe building the strength of a player will improve their game, and it will to a degree, and for a young bloke adding bulk will, give confidance and expose the raw material for a skills coach to work with, but the primary roll, I feel, is for a strength coach is to have duty of care.

There are now, a lot of strength coaches in the USA that now follow this philosophy; "do no harm"

For example, One of the big issues there a concussions, and neck injury, which being addressed by implementing certain safe exercises designed to strengthen the neck muscles.

 

[D1cko]

Lol...I think the afl clubs know what they're doing...and they probably already do the targeted strength work they need.

 

[Bazza20]

Lol...I think the afl clubs know what they're doing...and they probably already do the targeted strength work they need.

Yep and it's not a heap of strength work. Most aren't that strong at all.