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Thread for religious people

WoodyAllen said:
Atheism and a belief in evolution are forms of religion and "belief". It's based on faith in your convictions (just like a Hindu or Catholic) and even has a clergy hierarchy (e.g. Scientist specialists, philosophers, etc)
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Just to clarify, Atheism is not a belief in any way shape or form, it's non belief in a god or gods.
There is no faith involved since faith in this context means belief without evidence.
 
No, atheism is the belief that there is not and cannot be a God
Agnosticism is non-belief
Apathism is people like old mate Sparty
 
0ni said:
No, atheism is the belief that there is not and cannot be a God
Agnosticism is non-belief
Apathism is people like old mate Sparty
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No

Atheism - the absence of belief in the existence of deities
Agnostic - a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God​
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If i put a table in front of you then you can say there is a table. Once i take that table away from you, now there is no table. Can we agree on that?
 
I was an atheist growing up, actually more of an anti-theist, I hated Christians and anything to do with religion. By my early twenties I was suffering depression with manic episodes and suicide was my way out.......so I thought. I was at a stage of giving up and the oldies had a Bible lying around so I started to flip few some pages and I dunno what really happened but I just got on my knees and broke down asking this God I didn't believe in to make himself real to me if in fact he were real.
Now I guess I had a God moment, was just out of this word, just a peace washed over me. I'd been battling mental illness for a number of years and I hadn't experienced anything like this before and it was like the weight of the world had been lifted off my shoulders. Can't really explain it. Anyway within 6 months I was off my medication and been free from depression for the last 18 years now. Maybe I went from one mental illness to another according to some atheists but I'll gladly take the second one.
I still despise a lot of what the Church has become, we've wandered far off from Jesus teachings and traded it for power and our own greed, Coming from an atheistic background I still had a tonne of questions, I still have a lot of questions and I keep asking and seeking and I try and live out the 2 commandments the best I can but I still screw up a lot but getting better. No different to lifting really, you take small steps to where you want to be.

Anyway, thought I'd throw a different view out there, not asking anyone to believe, that's your choice to make.

P.S. The universe is 13.8 billion years old. Surprising how many atheists I speak to don't even know what they believe ;)
 
Cum Shot said:
If i put a table in front of you then you can say there is a table. Once i take that table away from you, now there is no table. Can we agree on that?
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No, there's still a Table, it's just someplace else where you can't see it.
 
"11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire."
 
"Do you not know? Have you not heard? The LORD is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth. He will not grow tired or weary, and his understanding no one can fathom. 29 He gives strength to the weary and increases the power of the weak. 30 Even youths grow tired and weary, and young men stumble and fall; 31 but those who hope in the LORD will renew their strength. They will soar on wings like eagles; they will run and not grow weary, they will walk and not be faint."
 
"Consider it pure joy, my brothers and sisters, whenever you face trials of many kinds, 3 because you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance. 4 Let perseverance finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything."
 
" so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love, 18 may have power, together with all the Lord’s holy people, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ, 19 and to know this love that surpasses knowledge—that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God. 20 Now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to his power that is at work within us, 21 to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, for ever and ever! Amen"
 
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"For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error."
 
Believing in the existence of a God and following organised religion is not even remotely close to the same thing.

Organised religion was and is about control, being spiritual is about controlling yourself.

It's possible to live your life holding yourself to account in order to achieve peace within and without being remotely religious, only animals act on instinct with no concept of consequence.
 
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