Terror in Paris

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so my arguments are worthless but calling someone a moron is valuable to the argument.


Is a person who thinks calling someone a moron is a good insult let alone a valuable argument to add to the discussion the best one to be judging who is and isn't smart.

Notice how you avoided answering my question. Why were you attacking what I said. Do you believe we shouldn't get to the bottom of the gun problem?

About as valuable as calling people lefties, or Isis sympathisers. There's no point in calling people out over shit you do just as much.

 

[Johnnie Walker]

so my arguments are worthless but calling someone a moron is valuable to the argument.


Is a person who thinks calling someone a moron is a good insult let alone a valuable argument to add to the discussion the best one to be judging who is and isn't smart.

Notice how you avoided answering my question. Why were you attacking what I said. Do you believe we shouldn't get to the bottom of the gun problem?

sorry buddy but im alot smarter than you, as are most people on here. stop deluding yourself.

 

[Bazza20]

sorry buddy but im alot smarter than you, as are most people on here. stop deluding yourself.

Still failing to read or add an argument.


Did you notice I never claimed to be smarter than anyone. It's not something I concern myself with.


Also notice you again failed to reply to the actual point of my initial post and still haven't when asked again. I said we should get to the bottom of the actual reasons for the gun problem. You must disagree with this since you are so against my posts.

 

[Bazza20]

Some of the states with the highest gun ownership have the lowest gun deaths. Rather than just saying get rid of guns why not find out what those states with high gun ownership and low gun deaths are doing.

This is for you johnnie.

This was the point I made today. You have made it pretty clear you don't agree with what I said. So that must mean you think we shouldn't find out what the states with low gun deaths are doing. Why is that. Why shouldn't we find out what the states with low gun death are doing?

 

[Johnnie Walker]

its because i believe it is pointless as it is unlikely you could understand the reasons behind the gun problems, so why would i want to discuss it with you? your quite clearly one of those people who reads something on fb then that becomes your opinion

 

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So that must mean ..

Warning bells..

This was the point I made today. You have made it pretty clear you don't agree with what I said. So that must mean you think we shouldn't find out what the states with low gun deaths are doing. Why is that. Why shouldn't we find out what the states with low gun death are doing?

^ Classic straw man. C'mon Baz, you can do better than this...

 

[Bazza20]

its because i believe it is pointless as it is unlikely you could understand the reasons behind the gun problems, so why would i want to discuss it with you? your quite clearly one of those people who reads something on fb then that becomes your opinion

So are you actually are saying you don't think it should be looked into why some high gun ownership states have low gun deaths. If not why don't you agree with what I said.

Nope you're right. I don't have all the answers for Americas gun problem. Do you.

i don't do Facebook. So no not clearly someone who reads something on Facebook and it becomes my opinion. I would assume the most popular opinion on Facebook would be the ban all guns approach anyway.

 

[Johnnie Walker]

no im saying exactly what i said

 

[Darkoz]

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My point was that some of the highest gun ownership states have very low gun deaths and it would be good to know the reason for this rather than rush in and say we need to ban all guns. ........

I'm not sure that's correct Bazza, the stats are indisputable and show that countries with high gun ownership and relaxed gun laws tend to have the highest gun related deaths than other countries, there is no arguing this.
I don't know what the answer is but it's clear that the gun laws in the US are clearly not working.

 

[Grunta]

I likes me lotsa gurns!!

 

[Johnnie Walker]

The fact bazza would take a stat like that at face value and think it means those states are doing something right, says it all.

you would have to also take into account,

demographics both racial and age
religeous make up of the state
% living at or below poverty line
urbanization and size of major cities
cost of living
wealth inequality
health
crime levels
illigal immigration
drug use
drug trafiking
divorce rate
general happyness
education
mental illness rates, as well as mental health care
the weather
prison population and incarciration rate
murder rate

fuck me the list is never ending of factors that would contribute to ****s shooting each other, but im sure you took all this into consideration, ofcourse you didnt.

 

[Arfwit]

The way I read it, he was saying they need to look at all those things to see what the difference is, not just focus on the firearms themselves.

So it turns out the two of you agreed.

 

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Still waiting for a reliable source of these magical statistics...

 

[Bazza20]

The way I read it, he was saying they need to look at all those things to see what the difference is, not just focus on the firearms themselves.

So it turns out the two of you agreed.

We have a winner.


Somene worked it out.


The others can't get past that it was me who posted it so they have to automatically disagree with what I said.

 

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I imagine the fact that a multi faceted social strategy is required to deal with a problem such as America's gun culture is a given for most people of modest intelligence, not a revelation. I'd wager it's also fairly obvious that the biggest benefit can be had in the shortest amount of time (which realistically will still be a fairly long period) by controlling access to firearms.

 

[Bazza20]

I imagine the fact that a multi faceted social strategy is required to deal with a problem such as America's gun culture is a given for most people of modest intelligence, not a revelation. I'd wager it's also fairly obvious that the biggest benefit can be had in the shortest amount of time (which realistically will still be a fairly long period) by controlling access to firearms.

And yet we still have guys like you and JW disagreeing with my posts for the sake of it. Even though I'm pretty sure we don't actually disagree on the main points of the actual topic. You guys made it pretty clear you were going to disagree with what ever I said.

I also found it funny how you pointed out my straw man logical fallacy but failed to point out the logical fallacy in every single one of JWs posts. You even failed to figure out that your post pointing out my logical fallacy was itself a logical fallacy. your post asking about my NRA membership, logical fallacy. Not that it matters but I don't even own a gun. Would like to but too busy to get around to it.

Attack the argument not the man.

 

[Stiffy]

 

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1) Check the definition of logical fallacy.
2) Structure and word your arguments better.

Another day wasted and the debate hasn't advanced at all. It's tiring.

 

[Bazza20]

1) Check the definition of logical fallacy.
2) Structure and word your arguments better.

Another day wasted and the debate hasn't advanced at all. It's tiring.

Mate you excited I finally replied to you.

Yeah you should check up on the logical fallacies. You and JW did a fair few, not that anyone gives a fuck. I found it interesting you only pointed out one of mine but failed to point out your own or others.

You and JW still can't find anything in my actual argument to disagree with but will still argue against anything i post. It's quite interesting even when I point it out you guys still keep doing it. I could say 1+1=2 and you guys would argue against it.

 

[Goosey]

You three nameless faceless boys should get together in a pub an discuss the worlds problems.