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Have you ever felt "guilty" or "ashamed" from steroid use?
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Stiffy
Guest
Remember when Genics used to hate Poni cause he thought he was natty, now they're brothers in arms!
spartacus
Well-known member
no need to do that.
I think an education campaign alone will go a long way, although there s little doubt that some just like doing their own thing.
Sure, drug use of PEDS will never go away entirely, but it can be better managed.
Again, look at elite sport. There is no doubt that it is now much harder to use. sure. top performers are getting caught still, but I suspect proportion cheating are still falling. I will quantify my sentiment when I get free time by looking at the yearly stats of key sports.
I think an education campaign alone will go a long way, although there s little doubt that some just like doing their own thing.
Sure, drug use of PEDS will never go away entirely, but it can be better managed.
Again, look at elite sport. There is no doubt that it is now much harder to use. sure. top performers are getting caught still, but I suspect proportion cheating are still falling. I will quantify my sentiment when I get free time by looking at the yearly stats of key sports.
Darkoz
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Sympathisers and users stick together
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Stiffy
Guest
lets just hope their Estrogen levels don't get too high, neither of them take A.I.s.
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Stiffy
Guest
Let me just say this as you kunce are too funny and I'm not getting shit done. I understand Genics taking roids due to his job (Bouncing/Security), I understand Poni taking roids as he's competing, particularly as he's competing in a non tested Fed. The legalities of it are pretty clear cut but the ethics of it all are a bit blurry. In the immortal words of Jeff Fenech and Kaz "I love youse all!"
It's called knowing a dodgy doctor. They tend to get what's coming to them eventually.
JUICE JUNKY
ALL UP IN THAT ASS!!
You don't think that's a low dose?
Drinking is way worse than any other drug. Take a look at what drinking has done to society, it causes more problems 10 fold when compared to any drug.
When you think about it, alcohol should be illegal, the shits fucken poisen in a bottle.
spartacus
Well-known member
No, certainly not to start with.
JUICE JUNKY
ALL UP IN THAT ASS!!
Okay so whats a low dose then?
spartacus
Well-known member
I suggest half that to see what response he got, so he could quantify that and then see if there was much difference from higher doses later on. As you know, what works for one, may not work for another, so good to learn from your experience.
My actual advice was to lay off gear until 21 and until he got a better standard of strength. Say 1.5 times bench and double bw squat. He is at life stage where he is probably gaining from an increase in natural test anyway, and should give himself a chance to maximise this potential.
As people know, both test and deca can aromatise, so there are potential problems. Some get no visible side effects from even high doses, others do. better to learn and listen to your body, don't you agree.
Of course, one could take heaps and go on nolvadex, but that is the strategy of a Neanderthal, me think.
My actual advice was to lay off gear until 21 and until he got a better standard of strength. Say 1.5 times bench and double bw squat. He is at life stage where he is probably gaining from an increase in natural test anyway, and should give himself a chance to maximise this potential.
As people know, both test and deca can aromatise, so there are potential problems. Some get no visible side effects from even high doses, others do. better to learn and listen to your body, don't you agree.
Of course, one could take heaps and go on nolvadex, but that is the strategy of a Neanderthal, me think.
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spartacus
Well-known member
Fucking retarded. For starters any drug is potentially a poison. When I buy alcohol I know exactly what I am getting in the bottle, the percentages are labeled. I don't have to inject it. Its effects are well known and well studied. The vast majority can have a drink without ever having problems. You actually have to drink a lot to have problems. Injecting stuff and one injection can potentially cause big issues.
Why is it the roid boys always go to the fucking alcohol argument. Is it because their arguments are so fucking useless when defending roids they have to always go there and try to change the topic.
Because alcohol kills 2.5 million people per year, steroids are rarely directly linked without the use of other drugs.
Low doses of steroids are perfectly safe, as are low doses of alcohol. Some of the population will be affected by small doses of steroids, much like they will be affected by small doses of alcohol.
Low doses of steroids are perfectly safe, as are low doses of alcohol. Some of the population will be affected by small doses of steroids, much like they will be affected by small doses of alcohol.
0ni
Registered Rustler
Yeah it's a fucking retarded argument and I hate it. Both sides of the argument. "Drinking is worse so I can do this" and "drinking should be illegal"
Although I think "alcohol is legal and does X, therefore Y should be legal because it only does Z" if a fair argument.
But then what you said about steroids holds true as well. I know exactly what is in mine and it's held to the same manufacturing standards as alcohol or tobacco with standardised concentrations to 10%